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@thatguyoverthere

I'd vote for AfroMan over every single candidate currently availible to me.

@cjd @georgetakei

@LouisIngenthron I hate whiteout.. if you write over it with a fountain pen, even try, it will ruin it temporarily and you cant write with it again until you clean the tip thruoughly.

@cjd

If you think making fun of a crippled person in a public setting when acting as president is "childish" to see as a form of evil then we are done talking.. I dont want to interact with anyone who thinks that is a morally good, rather than evil, expression.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

I mean trump literally is a one man Oligarchy, so you did a very very poor job at that.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@threalist

There is no doubt a large portion of the south were fighting for their right to decide for themselves how to handle slavery (and wanting to keep it, at least in the short term)...

But you are right, there are many nuanced factors overall.

@mike805

@thatguyoverthere

Trump has done a very many things that are evil... lying, explicitly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin, mocking disabled people... The fact that you dont think he has ever been evil publicly (let alone non publicly) is shocking to say the least.

@cjd @georgetakei

@cjd

While I wouldnt say Trump RFK or any of those nut jobs are a good choice. I can understand the hating of the Clinton/Bush types (Obama was okish but had some huge issues too).. But yea I can understand disliking any of them.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

It only counts if you vote in local and primary systems.. then you are making change and have every right to say "I wont support evil"... not mental gymanistics, its called having principles...

Now if you never vote in the primaries or anything that can fix the problem, then and only then I might agree with you.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@Phil Well since most of them are dead, they are now...

But yea native americans werent perfect people who lacked injustice, even before first contact.

@cjd

> So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.

No not necessarily. If enough people are upset by the choices and enough people write it in, it does become a valid vote (write ins are counted in many countries).

In any sensible country if you had two choices as evil as the ones we have right now everyone woul writein and we would have change... sadly we wont.

But your asking me "Do you choose guy one who will be evil to people or guy two".. yes every time my answer will be "I wont choose evil people, but I will be happy to fight int he civil war. Which is exactly what I'd say if my choice was Stalin or Hitler... if its Bush or Trump .. sadly i doubt there would be a civil war for that, but there should be.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@Phil Thats certainly true.. but in this case its not just muddled... its evil in specifically the treatment of minorities in fairly balanced ways... I mean sure the south is worse on blacks.. but much much better on native americans than the north, for example Asians were also more often abused/enslaved by the north (re: railroads) than the south

Point is when it comes to the treatment of minorities and their rights to autonomy both sides were bad and good in ways that kinda balance out.. plenty of evil on both sides, no one side the clear good guy

@ScoWer22

I didnt give you any permissions...

And to be clear, I explicitly do not grant you any permissions.

@thatguyoverthere

Bush isnt quite as bad as Trump or Biden if thats what your asking... But it would be like asking to vote between Hitler and Stallin... like even if i can reason my way that one is a little less bad than the other, neither is someone I would ever vote for.

@cjd @georgetakei

@ScoWer22

Good thing I want to support Ukrain but also dont support mandates then huh?

That said your still a fool if you are against getting vaccinated for yourself. But you should have the freedom to be a fool if you want.

@thatguyoverthere

Yes I know what he said... Calling biden equivalent to a head of cabbage in a coma would be an insult to cabbages everywhere.

@cjd @georgetakei

@Phil

For what its worth it may help you recognize my position if you understand as someone who is native american myself I think about a lot of aspects people dont talk about... There is a reason you know that the NAtive Americans, almost all sided with the south. Its because of the two the north was far more abusive in murdering us to extinction... So excuse me if i find the "they are the good guys" narrative a bit one-dimensional

@Phil ditto

The question is if either of us wants to invest the time and energy citing sources, and if we do will it even matter if we agree on the actions taken.

Seems we agree ont he actions themselves. So good enough by me.

@cjd

Thats like asking me who I vote for, a piece of cabbage in a comma, or a wet orange colored turd... Who cares, at that point id be doing a write in if those were my only choices.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@Phil

> He did as soon as it became necessary.

Thats a funny way of saying "once it is pointless"... He only abolished slavery at a federal level once every single state abolished it... That reeks of insincerity and necessity.

> so making it seem like he was disinterested is deceptive.

Like I said, actions speak louder than words... If he really cared to push anti-slavery views his emancipation proclemation would look very different.

Even post slavery Lincoln was quoted saying he didnt beleive in giving blacks voting rights except for the few exceptional "intelligent ones" which is wording highly suggested was a rarity..

Politicians say what gets them elected.. gotta judge them on their actions, not their words.

@cjd

I didnt say your side points were important.. they may be very important tangents... but they dont change a damn thing about how much Donald is a piece of shit... It just means he is a piece of shit who pissed people off and people are out for blood. It also just means everyone else is also a piece of shit... again not changing the fact that so is Donald.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei