🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@MaierAmsden

I have already address this here: https://qoto.org/@freemo/111188486425486051

@BlueintheSouth @cathyginter

@MaierAmsden

> There's a massive difference between unconscious bias, unintentional casual racism and overt intentional in-your-face racism.

There sure is, but you missed an important classification "covert intentional but significant racism"

> Joe Biden didn't refuse to rent to blacks.

No he did far worse, he spent the first part of his career trying to keep segregation alive, it was his primary goal for the better part of a decade at least... Id say trying to keep all blacks of the USA segregating is quite a bit worse than not renting to blacks.

That isnt to say him not renting to blacks is bad, its horribly racist. My point is, Joe can and has gone toe to toe with him on racism.

The only difference is Joe learned his overt racism wasnt working, so he went into stealth racism mode and instead of directly attacking the blacks and minorities now he exploits them for his own personal gains.

> Joe Biden doesn't deny the existence of systemic racism or think whites are the real victims.

Oh he definitely did.. By promoting to keep segregation alive in the 80s when he wasnt covert about his racism he very much was painting the whites as the victim... after all he claimed the reason he didnt want segregation is so his white children werent the victims of a "racial jungle"... yea sorry he played that card too

@BlueintheSouth @cathyginter

@timorl

Yes your right i did mix those up.. while i was familiar witht he difference i do often mix them up accidentally due to the bad naming.

Yes I agree being against the two parties doesnt neccesarly make you centrist, only when other quotes are lacking it is suggestive of that.

Assuming the quotes on wikipedia can be verified (so far I havent been able to) then I agree his statements would be suggestive of a left lean.

My definition of centrist appears fine and normal, I just lacked some information about MLK.

@happyborg

Static sites actually have come a long way, to the point that the term is still super confusing.

Yes the code itself is static html. and the code itself doesnt change between deploys. To answer your question it uses javascript (originally written as typescript). Some of it even runs remotely on the server, though its called "serverless functions" since the lambdas run without any OS or system info.

So the javascript basically can modify the code on the fly (the local js) and act as endpoints for things like follows using serverless functions but still running "in the cloud" (you see those int he api folder).

Next you might be wondering where the data is stored... It uses a firebase DB, so basically the DB is also in the cloud and is accessed with javascript as well... So the dynamic parts are rendered dynamically using static code written in javascript :)

@flear

Laris: But your not sleeping, bad dreams?

Picard: The dreams are lovely. Its the waking up I am begging to resent.

-- Picard, 1:1

@timorl

So first lets lead in with another quote showing his centrism:

"The Negro has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans." -- MLK

> I assume that means you disagree with MLK being a democratic socialist

You seem to misunderstand centrists.. They can and will pick views on one side of the fence or another.. gut they will not espouse it as an ideologically pure idea, they will try to temper it and bring it to a modified more central manifestation.

I am about as centrist as you get, but I have views on both sides of the spectrum, usually strongly, and always modifiy those views to address the nuance rather than use a sledge hammer, bringing them closer to the center. For example sure, I beleive in free guns, but i also beleive in tax paid resources, like giving everyone a free gun paid for by taxes... cant get more centrist than that! (I am half-joking of course)...

But to get back to MLK, yes he leaned more social-welfare capitalism (what we really mean when we say democratic socialism) than pure capitalism. In fact he even made clear that while he liked the idea of social-welfare the pure system of socialism would need to be modified in some way in order to be of use to us. Here is the quote:

"If we are going to achieve a real equality, the U.S. will have to adopt a modified form of Socialism." -- MLK

So yea as always he leaned one way, but never to the ideaologically pure end of the spectrum where the extremes exist, he lives well within the moderates and close to the center.

> The latter also contains quotes where he clearly states he at least mostly voted for Democrats (and he was even planning to endorse one, only a political assassination stopped him), and no indication whatsoever that he ever voted for a Republican

That sounds like a compelling argument. Sadly when i followed the cited sources so i could read and gather an opinion I couldnt find anything linked I could follow. More research needed.

@lonelyowl

Hahaha I'm not even sure they know which is which at this point... Takes them an hour just to figure out where they are most of the time.

@BlueintheSouth @cathyginter

@BlueintheSouth

You will have to be a bit more specific... we have two people, both extremely racist, one senile, the other just a regular old moron.... the list in ways they failed is quite long... for starters which one?

@cathyginter

Drug addicts: Oh no man, I dont smoke weed, I am 10 years sober! I dont want to get addicted to drugs yet.

...::proceeds to smoke a pack of cigerettes in 5 minutes::

@timorl

> I have the feeling you are ever so slightly strawmanning communism…

Its not about communism or what you think.. But when it comes to poverty there are two extremes... Either you make everyone poor by taking it away so no one has any (communism), or you let everyone starve and die and give the wealth one or a few elites.. Both extreme non-moderate approaches are harmful compared to moderate approaches between those two

Thats all it isnt about communism.

> Im not arguing whether being moderate is good or bad, but whether MLK can be accurately called a centrist.

Well you did earlier, you tried to claim that his view on moderates when it came to race could apply to other political things in the same way, which i demonstrated it cant, and MLK likely would have known that.

> but whether MLK can be accurately called a centrist.

Happy to go back to that.. so I provided one piece of strong evidence where it made clear he was at least somewhere opposed to both parties, essentially playing both sidism and demoncrating himself as a centrist with that quote

Any time he has been asked to side with a party or a part of the political spectrum he never has... Do you have **any** quotes or evidence from him he saw one side of the political spectrum especially superior to the other?

@healthiswealth

Ahh ok... right now deleting isnt added but ill be adding that shortly.. feel free to clutter though I can always delete by hand for now.

@flear

@healthiswealth

I dont see it. I am guessing you deleted it? Either way glad it worked for you... ill be working on it for a few more days to make it look pretty and add in some more features maybe

@flear

Last time I was in the hospital I was astonished to find the nurses didnt have access to even a single essential oil! They didnt even have safe smudges for their operating rooms! How ya gonna cut somebody open and not even cleanse the room of evil spirits first... Thats just wreckless.

@healthiswealth

You have to comment on the post itself, this is just a quote toot of the post so comments here wont show up.. go over to the took I link, do it there.

@flear

@timorl

> You could say the same about poverty

Sure poverty is fairly close to always bad (you can argue it gives character, but only if you actually get out of it at some point)..

So yes you shouldnt be "I am pro poverty I want more people to be poor!" (extreme left communism)... and you shouldnt be "I am anti poverty and I think 100% of people should be billionairs (extreme left to the point of pooling all the money and letting everyone else die)....

Neither extreme is good, so again, we have centrism being best, where people want to eliminate the poor, but not the rich, but also accept that the middle glass should thrive.

@timorl

Except not... racism is a clear evil, it is bad in any quantity and when you facilitate others doing it through inaction it is virtually always wrong.

So yes being on the fence as to whther a minority is "equal enough" and going "thats an ok about of pain they deal with ill accept it".. is never acceptable. It is evil in all proportions.

So no,, we cant apply that to other things too often because most things are not as wholly evil as racism is. If the choice is between locking down the borders complete with no exception or having completely open boards (two radical non-moderate extremes on views)... you have something that is not wholly one sided evil... Either of those choices in their radical extreme can and will harm communities. Where moderate solutions may find actual long term workable solutions.

In fact, we find that outside of a few exceptioons most things have valid arguments on both sides where only a moderate could hope to reach a good balance effective solution that actually fixes the problems.

@lxo Do you have anything he said or did that would suggest this to be true? Because his actions, that I know of, dont do anything to suggest this.

At the time moderate wasnt even use as a term to describe a region of the political spectrum.

@smallcircles

Wonderful, thank you. Please be sure to ping me if you or anyone in the thread needs anything I can help with.. I guess now that i have eyes on this I should get a contributors file together so those people who contributed work I snatched from get proper credit and all....

@flear @justin @h @neil

@neil My work took me about 24 hours as of now (and a lazy 24 hours at that)... its not much... I also took most of the bits and pieces from previous failed attempts and just fixed the bugs...

But yea if anything just know if i can slap this together in 24 hours it isnt too hard and you will probably see some real progress if your making this a medium term thing.

Side note, QOTO is looking for developers to hire to help... since you want to code AP feel free to consider if you'd like