🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@darnell and before you go and accuse me of errasing history as you do it yourself...

Here is a map of the original anctient borders of israel along with the modern ones including the west bank: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4dcf634dca3d72ad29a72156d8498ad-pjlq

As can be clearly seen the west bank was almsot entierly anctient israel and the modern day location hey call Israel was **never** part of their kingdom.

@darnell There is nothing attached there.

You can find the anctient map of the kingdom of israel here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah#/media/File:Kingdoms_of_Israel_and_Judah_map_830.svg

As can clearly be seen it does not include the overwhelming majority of Israel...

YOU need to stop erasing history it seems and replacing it with your own.

@darnell And for the record even if we accept the argument its their land from 2000+ years ago.. anctient israel was NOT where modern israel is. The kingdom of israel from 1000 BC to its fall occupied the terroritory that is now the west bank and just a little bit of modern israel on the left... The vast majority of the land considered israel was **never** part of the anctient kingdom of Israel.

@darnell

> The victor in a warring conflict typically keeps the land. That is the vast majority of human history, even up into the modern age.

Not really, at least not ethically and not usually without internation disgust and decleration of war crimes.

Russia did this with a few locations and there was international outrage, we are even doing our best to support Ukraine to stop it.

Can you actually name a modern war where the land taken was kept and wasnt recently (last 100 years) taken from them first? I cant think of one.

They didnt gain back their land.. it was 2000 years ago and it wasnt even "theirs" 2000 years ago.

@darnell

I am glad to hear that, arguing from a point of expiernce is important... But sounds like you went to the beach.. but it sounds like you avoided allt he worst atocities like Gaza, so apparently you didnt get the full picture of how they are treated or their living conditions. It is awful.

@darnell

Holy hell man... you think a people who were part of a country that fell 2000 years ago has a right to come back and take land from people living there for 20+ generations and put them all in little ghettos because they were "there first"...

When you take land in a dfensive war you do so only with the intention of ending the war, and ultimately giving it back. Again germany is the example here, we split up berlin and fenced them in, but **never** took it for ourself, the intent waws to give it back once we were sure the govt would behave... and we did..

The isralis never did that, they took land and say "nah no matter what this is ours, lets build condos!"

Not the same thing man, not the same thing at all.

@darnell I lived there for years up until just a few months ago... I've seen it first hand from both sides (I was there to conduct business in Israel but I made it a point to spend time with the paletinians and take a deep look at the conflict).

Have you ever been there or bothered to see it. or you just taking sides from afar?

@darnell

> Last but not least, you sound like a #Hamas sympathizer, claiming #Israel 🇮🇱 is “worse.” I do not see Jewish folks publicly raping, & beating civilians in the streets.

No I am a palestine sympathizer.. but that doesnt mean i find what hamas did was ok... my general take on it is "Two war crimes dont make a right".

Yes israel did worse by comminting genocide and taking land from native peoples... starving them to death intentionally and letting them rot from disease is as bad if not worse than raping women and children in terms of overall suffering inflicted... To say israel is worse doesnt **excuse** the hamas at all.. it just points out there is another evil as well and that evil is just as bad or worse.

@darnell Yes jewish were living in the area, and they had land rights and citizenship witht he palestines... palestinians out numbered jews 10:1 for at least 100 years prior to WWII and until the founding of Israel.

Regardless, they were pelestinian citizens those jews, again you dont have a right to invade a country and take land for yourself just because you have someone living there who is the same religion as you.

Its like if thailand invaded ameria and took it over and justifying that by saying "well actually thai/buddhist people were already living here"... ok... so?

@darnell

Correct, when they tried to steal land fromt he people already living there, they were attacked for invading...

**no one** has the right to take away the land of the peoples who have lived there for generations.

The fact that they lived there 2000 years ago has no relevance to the people who are and were living there now.

No one is saying what the hamas does is right.. but it pales in comparison to the genocide Israel has inflicted on the region.

It is **never** ok to take someone eleses lang for yourself, in war thats one of the worst of crimes. Even germany didnt have an iota of land taken from them as a consequence of WWII... or right the palestianians had **their** land taken from them... the guys who didnt actually do anything to contribute to WWII.

Yea sorry but its their land, Israel was wrong from day one.

@darnell I was living there just until recently.. yes im aware.

And your right comparing them isnt fair.. israel isworse... they took their land and piled them into ghettos, turned off their electricity and water as punishment and let them stew in their own feces... yes the hamas has been at it for decades, as have the Israelis, and of the two the isrtaelis have done worse over the years.

@darnell Its probably the first time Israelis have expiernced the kind of horror they have been inflicting on the palestinians for nearly a century.. Obviously doesnt make Hamas right... but it also doesnt wash away what the jews have done

@icedquinn

You post me some tits and I wont even remember what is going on :)

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins

What about it, are you suggesting the Quran demands shiria law?

@icedquinn

@realcaseyrollins

You are refering to Aisha. She is not part of cannon musslim tradition (as in she isnt in the quran).

The age of her, if she had sex, and when are all debated points and not clearly identified int he Quran.

This rumor is about the same as the rumor around Mary being a prostitute... its speculation at best.

A Jihad is a difficult personal battle with some spirtual reward.. for example the proper word for a musslim getting over a drug addiction or overcoming some other struggle and finding spirtual growth from it would be called a Jihad.

How is any of that against christianity... it sounds like you were just really REALLY misinformed.

@icedquinn

@flear YAY!

@realcaseyrollins

That may be a lack of understanding on your part... They agree with all the christian ethics, and I cant think of one that is in disagreement at all.. do you have an example? In fact they explicitly agree with all the ethics stated int he new testament that I know of.

@icedquinn

@realcaseyrollins

Correct, the musslims do not beleive jesus was god, only a prophet for god... the jews however beleive he wasnt even that much, they think he was just a crazy old coot with a god complex... so which of the two are more similar to you, the one who thinks jesus was sent by god and speaks for god.. or the people who think jesus was a crazy person?

@icedquinn