🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@AlphaCephei have a great night, thanks for the wonderful chat.

@AlphaCephei The illumination of a piece of surface here is the opening of the eye not a planet

And yea a telescope would make andromeda brighter to the eye since it would collect light more so and focus it into that same area.. it would be like having a larger retina.

We might be misconnecteding again.

@AlphaCephei haha yup... big dung hill, minimized surface area (as a sphere), poor heat transfer at certain layers AND is sitting in a near-vacuum... so the heat builds up over time.

Another interesting fact, did you know the sun is not massive enough to cause fusion at all if it weren't for quantum tunneling? This effect causes just enough extra heat to allow the process to begin at all.

@AlphaCephei

> Perceived brightness of a *particular viewing angle smaller than the viewing angle of the object*.

This was alrady stated in the OP when I said the following:

> Such that 1 meter square of the surface of the sun was within your field of vision

> The object in whole expanse, as long as it fits the field of view, does in fact get brighter when it is closer,

Incorrect, but a common misconception.

As you get closer to an object the object fills a larger portion of your retina. This will cause the object to transmit more overall energy to your eye, but the **same** energy per receptor of the eye. Therefore the brightness of the object appears the same, there is simply more of your pixels detecting it.

@AlphaCephei

Another little relevant point.. I did use lumens, and while you are correct my wording wasnt poor, lumens do not measure total irradiated energy (that is lux).. lumens is a particular measure of the amount of light falling on a surface. Which in this case, implied the eye.

@AlphaCephei

Little side note.. you are right of course you'd burn up, but that brings up an unrelated interesting fact:

The sun is very poor at generating heat. In fact the human body outputs significantly more energy per cubit meter than the sun does.

@AlphaCephei yes i should have been clear and said "perceived brightness of an object" to be more clear.

@Amikke

Thats fair, that means instead of making people vote, make people need to take a test to vote

Obviously i dont actually like this idea, id rather not do either.. but my point is a test is better than mandatory voting if thats where your going.

@jasonetheridge

@AlphaCephei

Incorrect, but only because you seem to misunderstood what was asserted.

@AlphaCephei

I am talking about perceived brightness at the eye.. and yes its very much as I described and it has to do with the pixelated nature of the eye.

@lowqualityfacts All grains of sand are edible.. you just need to have a good recipe to prepare it! They taste like shit without the right seasoning.

@kilroy_was_here

I'm not sure id be a fan of it int he australian system either... That said it clearly would work better in their system than the USA system.

@jasonetheridge

@FourOh-LLC

> Well, I am more interested in what people write about Islam on Reddit than

Only when it confirms your biases though, obviously.

> PhD. of Islamic studies, shemale, born in Ohio, says about Islam.

Who are you even referencing here.. or was this just an attempt to show your even hateful to other groups too like the piece of shit you clearly are?

> Or pretty soon, what you have to say about Islam. Because this is the Fedi, not a Conference, and you are not an invited Speaker of Honor LOL!

Good thing I can just block you then, since you are clearly just a waste of my time since you have no intention of actually interacting in any productive way.

@lonelyowl @deavmi @jeff @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@FourOh-LLC

Nope, just you for picking it.

Nice try though.

@lonelyowl @deavmi @jeff @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@jasonetheridge

> It's only $AUD20.

Well at least the penalty isnt too crazy.

> Mandatory voting does have an upside: it means that everyone votes

That sounds very much like a down side, not an up side. I want a system that **discourages** people from voting unless they are well educated in politics, and feels they have a candidate that is preferable.

The **last** thing I want is votes that are nearly random because someone cant pick a side being weighted as much as people who are engaged and have researched enough to form an opinion.

> and the consequence is that our governments are inevitably centrist, as they have to appeal to the middle (i.e. normal people) to get elected.

I think this may work more in Australia because you dont have a two party system... Even if we had more centrists voting it wouldnt help in the USA because the two choices you have are always extremists.

Thing is, I can only see this working in a coalition govt if people actually vote at every level, its too late once its a top-tier election.

@FourOh-LLC

Man thats some professional confirmation bias and cherry picking your doing there...

What did you do, just google "things that prove my biases right" and share the very first hit?

@lonelyowl @deavmi @jeff @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@lonelyowl

> I apologize for intruding on your helltread, but this is not very strong argument since it's easy to say that national-socialism is also not a person 😀

And you would be correct, national-socialism can not make laws and isnt a person. The people who follow it however will use their personal interpritation to make laws.. Thats the person doing it.

> For now people in islamic community on average, indeed, tend to be more harsh than people in other religious communities, but it doesn't mean that islam is somehow programming people to be bad. They can change to better, so we probably should support islamic reformist movements and condemn terrorist shit

Yea, this is a pattern much in the same way "black neighboorhoods tend to have higher crime rates"... both true statements in some sense, but ignores the fact that the harshness comes in part from abuse of those communities and the generational trauma that tends to cause.

In fact this can be seen by looking at the richer muslim countries which have a tendency to be far less harsh than the ones who are poor or have been the victim of countless abuses.

> I mean, there was a time when christianity was pretty brutal and tyrannical, too.

Right, showing its ultimately down to the people to make a religion good or bad far more so then the texts themselves, which are usually open to a lot of interpritation.

@deavmi @jeff @FourOh-LLC @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@jasonetheridge

Mandatory? Wow, cant say I like that.

Whats the penalty?

Interesting fact of the day: Not counting point sources of light, any source of light that doesnt appear as a single point will have the same brightness no matter what distance you happen to be from it.

In fact the opposite is true in a sense. Once you get close enough to an object that you can no longer see the whole object within your field of view, then it will get **less** bright as you get closer.

Amazingly this even applies to the sun. IF you were at the surface of the sun, just a few feet away (Such that 1 meter square of the surface of the sun was within your field of vision) it would only appear to be 93 lumens bright. That would be equivalent to only a 6 watt incandescent light bulb! Compare that to the brightness of the sun from earth which is a whopping 127,000 lumens.

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