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@garyackerman Thats because "improve communication" doesnt mean "say more things"... it means "say more with less"... these are usually people who are frustrated with filler words and fluff when studying a subject. We want more efficient conversation, not more conversation!

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If there are people left then you havent exterminated them... so the point is moot. Thats where we are now, a severely diminished and abused people who have been mass murdered but the extermination isnt complete yet.

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@admitsWrongIfProven

Yea apparently im "unhinged" for thinking child beaters are bad people who come up with motives to convince themselves they are good people... If that is unhinged I am pretty damn happy to be unhinged.

@ech @dashrandom

@realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com

What people? You killed them all in this scenario. If you are doing that (including the people into the larger state) then you havent exterminated the people.

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How can one be "subsumed" into the other if the other doesnt exist.

Thats like saying "look at me mixing sugar and water" and burning away all the sugar so the spoon is empty right before mixing it in.... If you destroy and eliminate the thing then you cant absorb or merge with it, as it doesnt exist anymore.

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@dashrandom

As I said, I expect you to have that opinion... When you beat a kid they tend to be quite subservient tot he views of the parent, its a tremendously powerful form of brain washing.

You are also talking to a person who comes from a gamily who bleives strongly in spankings for disciplin and I myself was also beat as a child. Thankfully as a result of that beating I left home and moved out on my own at 15 to get away fromt he abuse... so I am more the exception than the rule as someone who isnt broken by that beating but instead stands up for himself. I also told my mom I'd punch her int he fucking face if she ever tried laying a hand on me again once I was old enough to defend myself... and I happily did.

@ech

@realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com

Because a genocide wouldnt be a merger of two states, it would be the elimination of a state.

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What do you mean, they are citizens of palestine. in a one state solution they would return since they are no longer displaced.

You have to understand palestinians left because their homes were bombed and their land taken.. not because they wanted to. Once the land is open to them again they would return since they are no longer refugees and have their land back.

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@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world

A one state solution is one in which the two states merge into one in some fashion.. a two state solution is where two seperate nations are formed (right now palestine is considered as occupied by israel so it is still recognized internationally as one state).

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@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world

You arent calculating the palestinian citizens who are displaced and not physically in palestine.

There are 14.3 million palestinian citizens throughtout the world total, of that about 1/3 are currently residing in palestine, the rest are refugees or immigrants in other lands displaced by the war but still palestinian citizens.

Compare that to the 9 million or so who have israeli citizenship, and the fact that 20% of those are pallestinians as well, at least originally.

So yea palestinian citizens outnumber Israeli citizens by quite a bit.

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@realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com

Strictly speaking there would be one state left if you mass murdered the whole of palestine and annexed it. From a technical standpoint it would be.

But thats not what anyone means when they say a one state solution. It seems like an absurd use of the term to me and very misleading, but technically accurate.

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@ech

Another important point.. you said:

> anyone who knows very well that they personally use corporal punishment because they honestly believe it is the best way to keep their kid from running with scissors

As I stated, I do think parents genuinely lie to themselves and believe the lie that they do it for the "greater good"... I said that ready. So yes the assumption is they "know" they are doing it with good intent, its still a lie and there is some part of them that is fully aware thats not why they are doing it. But people are just too good at lying to themselves.

So yea i fully believe they are convinced they do it for "disciplin" even though it is lie both to themselves and others.

@dashrandom @lonelyowl

@lonelyowl

Agreed, their motives for beating their kids doesnt really change the equation anyway.. either they are aware that they are abusive horrible people who should have their kids taken away from them, or they arent aware of it... What excuses a child beater tells themselves, and believes really matters very little. So even if it were a factual excuse it would not change anything about my judgements or them being deserving of punishment (the adults who do the beating).

@dashrandom @ech

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> I'm not sure that one follows the other. Wouldn't the Arabs need to live in #Israel in order to vote there? Israelis outnumber Palestinians significantly.

Yes, in a one state solution the palestinians and isralis live and are citizens of one nation, as such they would all have the right to vote togetehr.

So if you are talking about "palestinians not living there" then you arent talking about a one state solution, you are talking about genocide. Generally palestinians being mass murdered out of existence is not what is meant by one state solution.

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@ech @dashrandom

> You’re assuming people you disagree with are doing what they do with the worst possible motives, rather than for the reason they say they’re doing it. You’re doing this for no discernible reason. It’s weird.

Nah you have it backwards. I have witnessed people beating their kids universally having the worst possible motives, without a single exception. As such I came to the conclusion to disagree with their actions.

> Here’s one of several problems with it: I don’t know, maybe Dash thinks corporal punishment is a responsible way to raise kids, and here maybe you have a chance to convince someone! But instead, you blow the opportunity: you come off like an unhinged person, certainly unlikely to convince anyone who knows very well that they personally use corporal punishment because they honestly believe it is the best way to keep their kid from running with scissors.

If seeing people who beat kids as bad people with bad motives comes across as "unhinged" I'd suggest **you** or anyone who might think that is more likely to be the unhinged person and just projecting.

You also assume my goal is to convince someone of something and to use less honest language to manipulate them, hiding my actual opinions and giving a fake persona in the hopes of convincing someone... My goal is not to convince anyone, and I damn well have no intention of manipulating people by hading my unadulterated opinion in order to get a more favorable reaction. My only goal is to share my opinions, and their reasoning. I dont expect a child beater to ever be convinced, if they are great, if they arent its par for the course.

@realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com

In a one state solution you would have a single government and palestinians and israeli would be one voting group in a single nation. Since Arabs outnumber Israel this would effectively be giving palestine back to them.

Obviously a one state solution that comes through complete genocide is not acceptable.

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@realcaseyrollins

A one state solution is the only ethical solution. Anything else is theft of land.

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