🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@akhilrao We dont know of a single animal on the planet that has a brain and doesnt sleep in some sense. Even sharks and dolphins sleep despite needing to move to breath well (sorta, many sharks are motionless when they sleep).

@admitsWrongIfProven

> I doubt the relevance of the "small fraction" you mention, as long as they are identified as jewish people, people that wish them harm will not relent on some genetics argument (or similar).

People wanting harm on them doesnt really have any relevance to them steealing someones home and commiting mass genocide. While I understand the need well there are plenty of groups that would love a home thqat doesnt have one all to themselves from pagans on up

> I am assuming we are in agreement that securing human rights for all humans is the most important goal, so i ask: if there are perceived characteristics that make people think other people are of a group, would that not be more relevant than actual match with the group? After all, no attacker will look at this scientifically.

More relevant to what? If they can steal land that has no relationship to them at all (since we established they are a different ethnic group)? No of course not. Them being abused as a group has relevance for us to want to protect them from that harm.

So why dont you give them part of germany, after all germany was the source of most of the harm they expiernced this century, sounds like if you think they deserve land of their own you should be giving them German land to protect them no? That way you arent using Nazi tactics on one group (palestinians) to benefit another, contradicting your purpose int he process.

> Other aspect would be: if "indigenous" status goes away after being expelled from a region, would we not enable attackers? Keep them away long enough, they loose their rights?

Indigienous status doesnt go away when you are expelled from a region. It goes away when you are no longer those people. A jew by religion only, with little or no jewish lineage is a religious jew. That would be like me calling myself african because somewhere 2000 years ago in my family tree there was a african ancestor once.

@admitsWrongIfProven yes, ancesteral jews were indeed native.. modern jews however have been disoplaced for 2000 years and integrated into other cultures.. so while culturally they preserved soem jewish heritage they are not jewish in the same sense anymore. This is clear for anyone who has met a modern jew, very few if any even retain middleeastern characteristics. they are such a small fraction jewish at this point its irrelevant.

@admitsWrongIfProven YEs people migrated like crazy. Thats sorta the problem with jews... they once had the land but have migrated away and intermixed with populations over thousands of years. so the people who carry ont he heritage of the jews arent really a distinct race anymore, not to mention many dont even have lineage back to the region. So while some jews may also have some native heritage they are so far removed over such a long period of time it no longer has any relevance in modern day. Unlike palestinians who have remained in the area consistantly both from anctient times and in modern times.