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@DavidM_yeg

What do you mean, that was already addressed in my other response here:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/111501356942640679

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

This seems valid, my mistake. I was reading from the wrong column.

However now looking at the correct data it seems, and unspuprisingly, that 2022-023 has been the deadliest flu season on record for alberta. This goes to show the fundemental point, lockdowns will result in decline in numbers but **not** elimination. Once lock downs are removed the rates will come back up and even slyrocket and over time result in no real gains.

To put it in some perspective the 2023 flu

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-flu-season-deaths-1.6797449

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

How does you being the chairman of a chrch congregation give you knowledge about **world-wide** movement restrictions? We are talking about how the world still being in lock down up to the start of the season (including in the USA) being a factor. Not to mention we havent even addressed when alberta lockdowns might have ended, as I dont have that info.

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

> unless by ‘lockdown’ you mean ‘required masks in schools and public places’ in which case we shouldn’t continue this conversation.

Just to be clear, no this isnt what I mean. I am talking about where movement itself is restricted (such as cancelling public events or shutting down non essential workplaces)

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

In the USA the lockdown was maintained until August 2020. So the lockdown basically existed right up to the flu season. Were you expecting the flu to instantly spike back to baseline levels once lock down ends? It takes time for viruses to start spreading again, it isnt an instant process you know, and with the lockdowns literally ending right as flu season begins means you are going to have a much reduced incident.

Also you are flat out wrong about the 0 flu cases.

> It wasn’t just that a somewhat obscure strain was eliminated… here in Alberta, we skipped an entire ‘flu season, with 0 lab recorded cases in 20-21.

Alberta's 2021 flu season had 2,906 confirmed flu cases resuling in 523 hospitalizations. Anf thats just **confirmed** cases.

https://www.alberta.ca/influenza-the-flu

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

If alberta wasnt in lockdown at a time that most of the world was, sadly thats not a great example either. You were more than likely benefiting off the rest of the worlds lock down and your own commons-sense methods likely helped to keep you further isolated but only protected you to the extreme you did due to worldwide lock downs.

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

I am not sure how you think the mutation of strains forming more varied genoms less able to respond to a single vaccine is an example of the OP.

Obviously the OP's later comments about engaging more with preventative care is certainly valid, the idea that we can eliminate viruses that way is simply not factual and an example of a flu recombinating into new forms (strains) is hardly a good example.

If you want a good example of preventative care eliminating a virus you can look at small pox, which we did eliminate and not just rearrange the strains.

The problem is neither the flu nor small pox is representative of COVID so sadly while we knew small pox could be eliminated once the science understoof the problem we likewise know COVID (like most viruses) cant be with current tech.

@andymoose

@Rado1 The math question type captcha has been easier to circumvent than traditional ones for a long time now.

@DavidM_yeg

Ahh ok, yea in that case the yamagata strain was just replaced with two new active strains.

Nothing unusual about strains being replaced with new strains, that happens no matter what we do and seen several strains of covid be eliminated by that metric.

@andymoose

I recently bought an Ercu sweater only to realize ercu is exactly the same color as white after you use too much bleach on it and it turns yello.... shoulda went with a different color.

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I just went to smithereens for a visit... horrible place to visit, nothing but blown up debris everywhere, it was a wasteland!

Recently I havent gotten into to much of the new Star Trek because I felt it lacked the most interesting aspect of the serious: deep philosophical considerations when it comes to morality and cultures.

I just started watch Star Trek Strange New Worlds and I have to say I am impressed. While clearly a modern take it feels like it captured the spirit of the original the other remakes lacked.... really liking this.

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@admitsWrongIfProven There are tons of better ways to solve it than a captcha... those sadly require time investment to code up. But even when i added the captcha a probationary period seemed the better move for sure.

@admitsWrongIfProven just a few a day. The issue isnt so much the quantity but rather the lag time. I sometimes dont see it and clean it up for 24 hours by which point it has already spammed the entire fediverse and removing it doesnt really do much

@andymoose

Fair, yes prevention is important to. Vaccines, access to them, and even some general things like better ventilation are all good steps to take. Even just better hygene practices like not working if you feel sick and washing yoru hands more are all good things for a society to do even if COVID werent a concern.

@admitsWrongIfProven Nothing I can find sadly