🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@freemo @LALegault
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
It is more than I deserved based on my tone.

@voidabyss

> I didn’t set anything up, this is a classic straw-man argument you’re making up.

You defining the rules of engagement:

https://qoto.org/@voidabyss/111167763581276244

Me pointing out their stupid:

https://qoto.org/@voidabyss/111167763581276244

> I made the claim that the master race ideology has European origin

No, you claimed it was **purely** of european origin (in other words **exclusively** white)

> I still stand with that statement, because I can bring you many quotes from so many prominent white European Elite(Philosophers, politicians, rules, writer, etc) that make claim.
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> I challenge you bring quotes from prominent Elite from North Africa, middle eat, south America, that make that claim.
> I truly believe that the master race Ideology is **purely** European origin.

As is **Very** clear here the point of debate was **not** if white europeans are racist, I concede thatpoint many times and never once disagreed... As I pointed out and the point you yourself claimed was that it was **purely** of european origin. Something you absolutely failed to prove and were quite clearly disoproven on.

> I was planning to bring quotes from prominent European leaders, philosophers promoting that ideology. I didn’t yet. I just linked to Wikipedia which gives a good introduction to this subject.

Good thing you didnt waste your time doing that because it would have done nothing to advance your argument since 1) it was never in question that white europeans are racist and 2) no matter how many racist quotes you have of white people it does nothing to prove it is **exclusively** white, so you would have wasted your time, especially seeing as this was disproven.

> I read this more like CYA, then a valid argument against white supremacy.

At no point have I made **any** attempt at an argument against white supremecy.. In fact you have said this like a dozen times and every time I have explicitly told you I didnt disagree with this...

Why do you keep insisting on arguing against ghosts of arguments you fabricate and I never said?

> I don’t make or engage with dishonest arguments.
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> White supremacy stems from the master race ideology which has European origins, that pretty much sums up the discussion.

Keep telling yourself that. Literally everything here is not just a dishonest argument, its **over the top** dishonest.. you keep fabricating an argument I didnt say, and then argue against it, and then cry foul when your called out on it and just keep doing it.

This is probably one of the more intellectually dishonest conversations I've ever had.. the only ones that might come close is your anti-vaxx posts which thankfully you've calmed down on.

@freemo Abraham Lincoln: one of the greatest Americans to ever live.

I can't argue with this, really.

@voidabyss

> Wow, you really think you won an argument quoting the North Korea’s communist dictatorship state media propaganda.

**You** are the one who set the rules of engagement. I even pointed out before I played the game by your rules that the rules were absurd... but I did it anyway... I followed the rules, proved you wrong by your rules, and pointed out youd move the goal post (in part because the rules were stupid)... and well here we are.

> I am not here arguing for the sake of winning a debate, but to see other perspectives on this matter. When I said the master race ideology has European origins that’s factually true, you can read more about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_r

then you are doing an absolutely horrific job by using such intellectual dishonest tactics.

> It’s not about moving the goal post, it seems to me you want to diminish European White Supremacy impact on the world over the last two centuries.

There you go making shit up again that has no relationship to anything I said...

Not **once** did I in any way say white supremacy or racism wasnt real, expansive, or a major issue. In fact I said **nothing** to diminish it. What I did point out is that horrific racism has been the norm across the globe and is not the exclusive domain of the whites... this doesnt diminish the evil the whites have done int he least, it only points out it is in no way unique to white people.

As I pointed out when I saw your intellectual dishonest argument coming.. you quoting white supremacy till the cows come home do **nothing** to advance this discussion because white supremacy was never in question.. the fact that you need to pretend like it was and argue against fantasies of arguments I never made is quite telling to say the least.

But ya know what, sure, lets do this.... Examples of non-whites considering other races as lesser than them, genetically racially inferior, subhuan etc.

* cast system - Specifically and explicitly designed so as to legally and personally judge people as lesser based on who they are born to (genetics). Fundementally and culturally an example. There are over 20 non-white nations, probably many more, that have employed caste systems in relatively recent history. This includes India, the elite most certainly have supported this system.

* Ghandi, this elite non-white has quite the history of making statements about blacks where he treats them as inferior. In particular he would call them "Kaffir" (functionally similar to the english word "nigger") and would often refer to them as savages.:

"...in the same category as the half-heathen Native and confine him to Locations, and subject him to the harsher laws by which the Transvaal Kaffir is governed." --Ghandi

* The elites in Korean state media said the following about obama: "“still has the figure of a monkey while the human race has evolved through millions of years,” Another clear example of non-white elite seeing another race as genetically lesser.

We havent even gotten out of asia yet.... Shall I keep going?

Hope his loved ones can find some peace now. https://www.comicsands.com/jada-pinkett-smith-tupac-shakur-2665779842.html?utm_source=mastodon&utm_medium=infeed&utm_campaign=linkprogram

@raccoon

> But Biden isn't senile. There's no evidence of serious mental decline. He's acting as he always has.

Yea that has no basis in reality and is tremendously obvious to anyone who has followed his older work as I have. As is well known at this point Biden is a long-time friend of the family, he has been coming to my parents home for dinner since before I was born... So obviously to me, someone who has obviously seen him speak in the early years, it is undeniable he is senile.

That said, its really shocking you would say that and actually ever bothered to see how he acted int he past... The only way I can understand how you could say that is if you never saw him speak int he past and just made that up.... but either way easily remedied...

Here is a video of him from the 80's talking, it was just the first hit I got:

https://youtu.be/xRxOldhJ7Sw?si=IiVy2Cao0GO4a-MB&t=16

Meanwhile here is the stuff we routinely get... he slurs his words, looks confused, and often goes off into complete random gibberish... he has been seen trying to shake hands with people who arent there.. yea clearly he has mentally declined.

https://youtu.be/hiDRFTVH0rY?si=ORnxZ5G2nBUTXx3D

@fredbrooker @evan

@cjd

I mean sure... he raped a few people, mocked a disabled person for being disabled, specifically denied work to people for being black... but you know, he didnt murder **everyone** he met, and some people do, so calling him evil would be devaluing the word evil....

::hard eye roll::

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

Time for the evergreen Norm meme..

@freemo
@niclas

i think lysander spooner put it quite fittingly

>If justice be not a natural principle, it is no principle at all. If it be not a natural principle, there is no such thing as justice. If it be not a natural principle, all that men have ever said or written about it, from time immemorial, has been said and written about that which had no existence. If it be not a natural principle, all the appeals for justice that have ever been heard, and all the struggles for justice that have ever been witnessed, have been appeals and struggles for a mere fantasy, a vagary of the imagination, and not for a reality.
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>If justice be not a natural principle, then there is no such thing as injustice; and all the crimes of which the world has been the scene, have been no crimes at all; but only simple events, like the falling of the rain, or the setting of the sun; events of which the victims had no more reason to complain than they had to complain of the running of the streams, or the growth of vegetation.
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>If justice be not a natural principle, governments (so-called) have no more right or reason to take cognizance of it, or to pretend or profess to take cognizance of it, than they have to take cognizance, or to pretend or profess to take cognizance, of any other nonentity; and all their professions of establishing justice, or of maintaining justice, or of rewarding justice, are simply the mere gibberish of fools, or the frauds of imposters.
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>But if justice be a natural principle, then it is necessarily an immutable one; and can no more be changed—by any power inferior to that which established it—than can the law of gravitation, the laws of light, the principles of mathematics, or any other natural law or principle whatever; and all attempts or assumptions, on the part of any man or body of men—whether calling themselves governments, or by any other name—to set up their [PAGE 12] own commands, wills, pleasure, or discretion, in the place of justice, as a rule of conduct for any human being, are as much an absurdity, an usurpation, and a tyranny, as would be their attempts to set up their own commands, wills, pleasure, or discretion in the place of any and all the physical, mental, and moral laws of the universe.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Natural_Law;_or_The_Science_of_Justice:_A_Treatise_on_Natural_Law,_Natural_Justice,_Natural_Rights,_Natural_Liberty,_and_Natural_Society;_Showing_that_All_Legislation_Whatsoever_is_an_Absurdity,_a_Usurpation,_and_a_Crime._Part_First./2#SECTION_I.

@Darkayne

@freemo You and me both.

@freemo I always dream that a modified version of recumbent bikes can replace many cars and electric cars.

Here

https://ace-shop.com/en/why-recumbents/speed/

at 250w of human power, the speed of an aerodynamic recumbent is 69km/h vs 29km/h of a normal bike and 35km/h of a sport racing bike.

Imagine one of these bikes with a trunk, some small electric unit, etc...