CONVERSATION SUMMARY POINTS + FAST ANSWERS
SHORT VERSION
[MORE INCOMPLETE VERSION]
1- The questionable nature of others doing ' business ' (a form of extraction method and a extension of gov itself !)
2- Measurably showing reality clearly, how? - e.g. 1 picture to show how they are doing it deliberately and allowing it to exist to feed from faults in design / profit from it.
3- Solutions. I'm happy to get together for a chat about it and with others. Moderation is a great thing. Try it!
LONGER ANSWERS / EXPANSION
1- The questionable nature of others... as humans are BOTH nice side in extraction and evil... the determining factors are who does this and why is it being done... [for profit siphoning or preserving human life directly]
Extraction is perhaps called ' business ' (a form of extraction and an extension of gov itself !)
Extraction + Government = Bad and mostly ignorant! Root of all evil roots! Can't trust them. Also can't trust people but in happier expressive environment can be much less damage or gang behaviour / working with nature as main environment not concrete cold financial districts.
2- Unless people pre-agree above point (about government being bad / siphoning / cheating etc) then we can't really stand together... pictures help show this as perhaps a personal measure rather than their 'funny-skewed' stats... to see their actions and positions (because they are tricking/raping us financially which is our blood/sweat/tears,)
And then also comes the work in balancing ourself [not working only in number formats / machanical thinking etc but nature of people as always an X themself we can try understand but always know we don't have 100% the x and allowing people their personalities back!]).
The premise is most people are not bad and I think this is measurable too!
The tearing point between people is when it seems like you vs. me or only left or right turns (ultimatums given by people or systems which we can recreate as in reality there is more though food production is relative to allowing this so a bit of that is needed to relieve tensions)
Acronyms can help see patterns of techniques:
-DRM, showing restrictions to online media
- Open Source being taken advantage of as free workforce and commercial gatekeepers *choosing* what code goes in and why...
- Non-commercial people die... Linux itself is run on 99% of the world's top servers etc but doesn't get much for it... if it did and if money was not so 'funny' itself then we would be 'ruling' a much fairer world... so we don't want to rule but arguable we can't expect nothing back for what we do (at least in ideology) to protect without over-protecting inside existing vulture capitalism... else our efficiency comes back at us and cuts us out (advertising technology, flight booking algorithms throttling / charging people more etc)
( just anything that can show the range of technique on 1 list / map diagram / wordcloud (I'm going to go off looking after this!)
So basically this comment was about measurably or quickly demonstrating it is what they are doing and anyway effectively for the person own moral decision in corporate bubbles who are doing a good 'job' of that business even if they don't mean it... so what do we do about that? Converting culture is the answer I think.
- I also see tech like giving a hammer to a child who is mostly nice but it doesn't take much to damage one's self (individual or humanity) and realising power over others (tricking people / threatening with hammer) can naturally and as a business connect to our primitive being / feelings.
People can use tools for good or bad but without know how to use it (lack of training and awareness) it soon goes wrong. Even a hammer can go badly.
It's different to not giving hammers or imposing legal restrictions and enforcing them (layers). It's about not using things even if free hammers given out...
NON-profit clamps maybes...
or other profit-prevention?
3- Tough one, but if you agree we're going towards free (as in freedom, more-financially-free and even reducing mass profit because it inversely proportionate to constricting / restricting the freedom of others.... then yes something needs to be done! Or just doing things less as a kind of helping keep more on top of what *we're* doing and not playing their games to stop the corporate parts that way too....
To nicely massages some of these topics and even prejudices out of people safely, and say something snappy 1-liners in reply. And people are just 'ah yeah' and just align... no big fight needed...
Quickly written - Happy to audio chat and as group moderate (firm but fun and fair moderations to get best out of everyone ?)