@kensanata I think I was sold on that sentiment even though the last sentence seems to undo it (because it's a different kind of less)

So to clear that up, as I see it (PERHAPS!...)
- Too many software engineers
- Not enough talking (PURE-IRC / TECH-HEADS no good for nobody <--- yes I know but sounds good)
- more importantly practising more human things so it's not really about less but just PLUS the more humans stuff (getting to accept each other, forcing each other to talk, conversation skills, self-confidence (no way but to just jump in and practice audio chat for example), believing in each other than 'perfect' machine and borderline fascism (pardon the strong work but I mean just code is law type order that we can't get around other than Mastodon which is for chatting not making new tools for the dark side to plugin to dark things again which anything new invariably does or is created from...)

Anyway moving to what is really the case of 'what we haven't been going' is hard to sell or encourage anyone who can do it effortlessly using IRC to get in 0 depth or people skills- which is possibly the #1 problem wrecking all relationships and projects apart from the start where everyone is happy on the hype, and then creeps in personalities and harmosnising / aligning becomes near impossible which is why I advocate speaking in more circles, even random to break ourselves into pure acceptance and learning all the type of people first before we do any major business or project or at least as we go along in everything.

So still can do a lot of stuff, almost everything but focus and respect is about people, not the other stuff that can be switched or more controlled than our brains which happen to be the best decision maker (eventually) and can't trust must else more than that as a collective in the long run.

Someone please summarise me for IRC people lol- obviously the details or complex thing isn't a 1 line or even 1 paragraph thing which is why long way around teaches everyone everything (what capitalism has been avoiding / cutting out / order others and people just following)!