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@kaan@mastodon.technology @humanetech

Hi there, linking posts a bit
qoto.org/@freeschool/108121601

The idea of us doing our own thing in two main ways:
1- in the way of 'Free' but getting money in nicer ways for us all
2- in the way of advertising and awareness / self publicity for those that probably want this kind of advertising and not *that* kind of advertising TOWARDS education / helping each other do everything

Bitcoin example pictures (seems good education even SEPEARATELY WITHOUT bitcoin - useable messages (SEE PICS & BOOST)... 

So I want to apologise because the name or system Bitcoin (or whatever) can be a good/bad/mixed thing but 100% I like some of the educational messages which unites many things even as separate components (usually indicating it's well made)... this also includes growing people (growing educational thinking) which is in line with my main goals of getting people to realise some basic components needed in life and without them almost death or starvation...

I've put some picture attached to this message...

THE REST BELOW IS THE LONG VERSION
DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU LOVE HEARING MY POINTS! DISCLAIMER DONE!

So even if it's only 'notions' of these 'Bitcoin' things and if aren't perfect (or whatever problem or misconception make it imperfect) still nothing is perfect and what has been achieved in 12+ years (and even last 1 year saving protest after protest and people in wars etc) is nothing short of amazing... AND BATTLE-TESTED.
There's real metric in that away from the main matrix!
... but yes I still leave thought it's not 100% and I'm not gagga for it... but sometimes <100% is enough maybe and the thinking gives good signal of that... (at least I'm getting used to this idea if results are consistent then it's good and governments that passive-aggressively attack, take oxygen out of rooms, leave people to freeze in -40 conditions, arrange for disable bank accounts of peaceful protests really deserve to go for all their immorality for simple peaceful stuff)

Some of the use-cases during war, and for holding value between people have been nothing short of BATTLE-tested vs. whole governments and have happened in real life just this yea and on-going...

SO is it just hype... all hype....?

AND THEN sometimes does hype matter if people unite with similar mentality...medium-long term? 12 years of botcoin people snowballing... and anyway all is going to hell pretty much fast, so no need speed it up but also feels we had 0 reply until bitcoin and were letting things go anyway due to the other teams speeding up without our checks...- FEEL FREE TO SAY WHAT ELSE YOU THINK IS HITTING HARD LIKE BITCOIN
AND NOT GOV'S THAT WILL MOVE GOAL POSTS AGAIN BECAUSE ***THEY CONTROL IT AND CAN EVEN EACH THING / SIDE !!!!****
....BUT NOT !)

Is there another bad trick in store for us later - possible by the roots might have been the purest in Bitcoin .... We all will learn again I'm sure but sticking to stuff not in man's control exactly 100% could be good when tested like this!
(feel free to answer!)

The main reason to post was NOTHING ELSE seems to have given the quality of education (judging on what I have seen from everyone non-bitcoin included)... some nice sentiments of what not to do (which is good) but not practical solutions unless it's software (mostly am writing this fast)... but also please send me anyone else that has seen such a crowd for this kind of specific education / message frequency or quality in basic text and picture, audio, just lots of things...

So I'm not all in, well I'm all-in life more than anything but maybe Bitcoin has displaced already the mainstream and can do more whether it's sea shells or whatever people believe in... which I personally think Bit and coin is misleading with but then as more of a store of value I can see it... and ANY real money will take energy to store (or make) so it can be better to 'waste' in electricity instead of physical coins IF... IF... government can't get their hands on it so much... which is worth it x10000% in many ways as it gets less hijacked (this is a very basic version and perhaps controversial thing and too short to mention more but just starting I think helps to explore money overall too which Bitcoin does naturally as many people don't know :( )

Even if it was the solution would you be too much in 'hating' mode to go for it with 2 hands and try or always pot-shot from distance?

I'm still on the learning journey so no apology for 'looking into Bitcoin' and to be honest if your advertising message / phrases / real-use cases were like Bitcoin crowd or their videos then also I would listen but nothing is as compelling for education, for replacing money though doesn't mean I don't listen or watch other stuff... all is needed

Lots of concrete things, transparent ideas and people checking at least....

Bitcoin's sub-points has BOOSTED learning and mentality and even THE practical hope (not just hope or staying in depression or waiting for the next corporate evil using our cry for their new plans)...

so for that I'm enjoying Bitcoin...
There are lots of pictures but these are my best attached (not pics of the speakers or talks, mostly the principles, sayings or component parts to what think works in general too or even separately to bitcoin)

For example the 'Self-fulfilling prophecy' in the picture... YES people can do that if they repeat bad or good enough...
Same as just being inside doom and gloom cycle this can be exactly with people hyping up something else and not remaining in crying mode,,, bitcoin or anything anyone believes in as something can be self-fulfilling by continuing that line... and with others could be also that way.. and in another respect like "fake it until you make it" also can have surprising effect as a lots of exceptions or nuances in +/- spectrum exists.

Generally for me, where believing in people is the road to success (and Bitcoiners are doing that tangibly...) then overall that is perhaps my ideal EVEN without money or Bitcoin actually, BUT WE MAYBE NEED a bridge to my 'goodwill for all' ideal by getting rid of (bankrupting) bastard governments spinning their own business and for then to go down in shoes sizes or 20 first for a small boot to have on our faces... (when we stop funding them)
So tactically when everyone else getting off money we can get on something else /// releasing next stages of life! Because until people need to change or have less fake money, likely chances are most won't (why do something you don't need to right now?)

Hasn't it been enough that support the wars and Governments with it?!
BOOST IF IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE!

Anyway my best pictures so far filtered from this Mastodon account:
bitcoinhackers.org/@bitcoinmag

Debian Ubuntu equipment for fans - rucksack for equipment mobility AND portable advertising... ! 

@stux
and Ubuntu fans and anyone generally interested...

stux.store/product/debian-ubun

**At the same time** as supporting a big mastodon host (hosted by Stux @stux) you're also getting some gear and eye candy for others promoting when you're using it in public.... not bad as an equation.

At least helps the poor people on the train by having somewhere non-human to focus when they are staring endlessly at something on the train, avoiding human eye contact, and then finally wonder what that Ubuntu spiral thing is and look it up on their phone! (Aha you see there's intelligence and education in advertising free software stuff!)

You could also put a sticker on your existing bag but if you need a new one, well here you are....

The essential rucksack for carrying and mobilising your gear + "portable advertising"

More pictures in the store:
stux.store/product/debian-ubun

Free Software 'doesn't work' excerpt of story... + IDEA: FreeSoftware Advertising is ok / Paid Educational Awareness with useful info + lots of options what to watch = Education ? (+money from those rich enough and watch our shit?)... 

1. Free and Free Software story (how it regularly might not work)

2. ADVERTISING SOLUTION AWARENESS EDUCATIONAL WEBRING FOR FREE SOFTWARE!

1. 1. Free and Free Software story
My thoughts on what I thought about for a while + copy and paste of the main point from another discussion which reminded me of the dynamic and says it fairly well

So I am thinking in realm of doing "Free" which hasn't worked well for a lot of us or scraps the barrel often enough too close (as input or finances) and since FREE also in my ethos and even my name then it's good for me to study it too with others doing things free and unhappy.... recently someone else WHILE ALSO knowing that is our ethos to almost die from our own freedom efforts and eventually I hope people can do things more from love not money... so I'm not thinking about charging either but here is one real story / testimony specific to a website with similar-enough dynamics to show what I was thinking basically that things even increase in cost at the same time if you become popular so it's less manageable often if growing...

" This is a reminder to pay for services you depend on. Per the Pinboard founder's post:

> I love free software and could not have built my site without it.
But free web services are not like free software. If your free software project suddenly gets popular, you gain resources: testers, developers and people willing to pitch in. If your free website takes off, you lose resources. Your time is spent firefighting and your money all goes to the nice people at Linode.

> Like a service? Make them charge you or show you ads. If they won't do it, clone them and do it yourself. Soon you'll be the only game in town! "

blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t

So as an equation I think it captured something true there that I was thinking about for a while and although I don't advocate the opposite either... just the middle is often not clear or non-existent probably you've seen that some of world most popular json and other stuff is held up by 2 people often or lots of stories of how it's not working (perhaps they don't know how to ask also)
AND THEN it's also political anyway (i.e. money = political so people don't give because they don't agree with money / often costs to pay/ generally we all don't want to give for what we are forced to pay governments back to with others as less priority
AND we like the advantages of what is replicable (similar to what copy & paste is) although still not escaping paying bills for other stuff which also is extortion in cities and stupid to pay for (sorry people in the country simply don't have to pay stupid prices based on leveraging each others human needs as a demand - RENT PAYING IS A TERRIBLE THING FOR WHAT IS USUALLY PAID ALREADY) - we try our best without money and eventually gets lower and lower IF NOT HAVING RICH DADDIES AND MOMMIES OR RICH KIDS THEMSELVES PAYING US AS PHILANTHROPY or something balancing the money injustice at the fat cat level instead of expecting small cats to constantly pay... and pay even more if it gets popular! (not always this true or dramatic, and can stay small but it's tempting is to blow money when you have since that's the system... and American company size is from vulture capitalism / venture capitalism
etc)

2. ADVERTISING SOLUTION

AWARENESS EDUCATIONAL WEBRING FOR FREE SOFTWARE!

I actually like the idea of optional ads done in the right way if there was a simple list for me to click (nothing even in software needed)
I could choose when I fancied to pick from their list of stuff and anyway I probably am only 10 years later... so to give eyeballs to what I already liked as keywords or even / train / filter keywords is not much of an ethical problem unless you *bozos* put it on youtube / google
*just wanted to say bozos that for some reason* and keep this fun... yes unless you bozos put it youtube then peertube would be part of it but like I said even a list is ok and you'll see the view count shoot up and even some sales!

I feel humanly I could give peopel now using this way by adding contact back, feedback, even things that could go into advertising content!
DIDN'T PLAN TO WRITE THIS BUT UNITES THE FACT THAT PLEBS / NON-DEVS ARE LACKING PLACE IN FREESOFT SO THIS COULD SOLVE THAT BY GIVING TO THE ADVERTISING PART AT LEAST... oh yeah finally I got some idea to relate to you people!

If people could unite people at the same time using those keywords, ads, work or connecting other free people using as Adverts then I'd click all day and it doesn't have to be 100% related to the soft either!

Enough to have the same principles as the usual FSF stuff and use Free Soft's own advertising ring policy or own disclaimer. With you policiing and members policing the ring or badge of quality (or some other way pictured) it will show things in a more organised way ?

Like back in the say when people were just clicking rock music websites or whatever on a webring (was powerful discovery) so imagine if similar with a good button picture or even better a page of banner pictures to click on simple list in Mastodon... well consider me a customer / consumer of such things and even able to give my excellent ideas.... excuse me just spilt my milk)

MY ADVERTISING EQUATION IS BASICALLY
Advertising = useful info + a ton of options what to watch
= education ....yes?
(and dare I say more money / click-throughs and other forms of kudos? Even if I was buying I could type "I saw the Mastodon advert" so you don't need to so click through scam-looking urls- we're mostly honest here)

3. GRANTS AND EU TANGENT - BASICALLY TAKING MONEY FROM WRONG PEOPLE AGAIN

Grants and European Union are not always going to keep you guys a float and there is a reason why they are are paying you like hire guns / hands (and not keeping you a float in the first place)
Always about giving $ and then TAKING back more from others or for nasty reasons later in the end of getting control / research / using the bods and geeks they buy like any others... and then shut the poor artists out... forgive the digression

IN SUMMARY - Do a advertising webring yourselves and dance in the % cuts of Freedom hardware and software
Give 99% to me and I'll give 100% back :)
WE WANT TO BUY BUT MOST OF US HAVE NO IDEA WHERE OR WHAT IS WORTH INVESTING IN.
AND THIS TIES IN BETTER PAYMENT PLATFORMS (please list as it's not so popular here according to my feed, probably one called Librepay or something... LINKS!?!)

HAPPY TO TALK TO SOMEONE
LOL THIS GUY DOESN'T SOUND TRUSTABLE WANTING TO TALK....

*Ahem* This is my mastodon account, do not contact me or give me things to do for free as all free people are questionable in not playing the fiat ponzi scheme
(this reverse psychology but also why free doesn't work in the fiat dominated mindset)

Let's play best we can and accept each other more than our governing establishments.... you frankly don't care as much as I do!

watching!
More education, purchases, setups etc within ourselves mostly (+ while steady reaching others)

Picture original here + similar Ethos but could be applied to Advertising & Awareness Education program
hostux.social/@fsf/10811568377

Boost if you think more of this is good...
- Advertising & Awareness
- Education program
...for Free Software ideology & practise

SOMETHING WITH A BIT MORE TEETH PEOPLE AND ACTIVELY SHOWING IT!

"Walk away from the activist way of thinking, where you need dozens to hundreds of people, massive signal chats, a FB group, endorsement by local celebrities, & a snack committee, to do anything. You don’t need permission!" - Starting Autonomous Direct Action [Madison, Wisconsin] -> enoughisenough14.org/2022/04/1 #antireport

Feels like there is not much after asking others AND 'should' be more to use those less skilled... and there is not much to do with others and more about machines overall ?... 

@Angle

Just saying from lower levels of knowledge that Open Source Contribution and asking everyone I've every met... "What can I do, I have hands and internet connection, give me something" or maybe more generally across the board... feels like there is not much AND should be more because either there is not much to do with others as the human experience or improvement (maybe talking about it is good) otherwise it's

- developer stuff and hammering developer time
- or people not sure what else there is
- maybe more translation and documentation but nothing much maybe juicey

The comment "There are lots of projects needing help with documentation as well as code." kinda does it... and I know there is an obvious reply I would reply to myself is that "it's about software" but IF it's not about people more overall or reconnecting the circles with people improving comms, social interactions, feelings even personal stuff during work or before and after... then one could say it's circular machine work / people programming like a machine... for questionable return if that goes on forever... and not so much human return (or potential using software but no really in development).

Anyway my unskilled 2 cents and I think some sort of hope the unskilled can be given something to fill the void in their life too... toward looking at each other eventually... not only a machine and abusing coffee!.... CHEERS!

@thatguyoverthere @freedompatriot

You're assuming the institutions like BlackRock give a rats ass. They WANT individuals renting from them for perpetuity. Letting them buy a home is lost potential revenue.

That being said, even before the current bubble, I'm not personally big on buying a home. Too much debt involved. I'd rather buy a piece of land and plop a tiny house on it.

The "Respects Your Freedom" certification program encourages the creation and sale of hardware that will do as much as possible to respect your freedom and your privacy, and will ensure that you have control over your device. u.fsf.org/3g0

@freedompatriot
Needs name much clearer font or bigger font. Too small / obscure right now and plenty of black space for simply enlarging !

internet meta 

@amolith
But perhaps the system of business is quite the same (so I agree or say maybe but also it's good not to get too sentimental as it does tend to get taken over or exploited, raped and pillaged although in the financial and tech sense now and even perhaps before). They use what they can, give give, take take take take take... so in an out-of-context-manner perhaps I just want to say let's make it ours as much as possible WITHOUT much change of it being taken (for me this means humanising contact between us while we can because what de-humanised us was tech somewhat or they tool they used... so moving on from just your comment I say START TO TALKING TO 'US' and indeed anyone... while you can!
:D <--> (:
:P <----> (:
:( <-------> (:

Meeting!... Topic = Cult and Culture (are you interested in listening or speaking in a temporary group?),,, 

Cult and Culture - A Topic you can listen or speak about for those interested in audio conversation together... (listening also ok and nothing too long or EXIT anytime!)... :)

I'd love to hear anyone who feels there are in a Cult or what it means to be part of Culture!

??

Reply to this message or DM any time
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MORE INFO:
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When it's 5 / 6 of us will decide a day and time to chat and do a 'go-around' format (chatting in a circle one at a time and then together)
Maybe doing it regularly for those who want with different people each week / month

( whenever there is 'feeling' for it just message! )

The idea is to practice hearing and speaking with other people's version or vision and lightly discussing together with mixed people from all around the world!! Casual fun thinking of the topics and words - in this topic what Cult and Culture means to you!! :D

Thanks for your interest and reply.

@ColinTheMathmo
So to finish perhaps...

- obviously not useful for you in questions asked for clarity...

- it's not all about zoom and jitsi for me

- I was asking *you* how you feel + specifics in the ideal you want to see...

- I didn't even mention Jitsi much after the pictured post

.... and maybe you have just the aversion which means more than anything you might have this bad feeling... so by my trying it's **only** going to make your distaste none-the-sweeter!

Your perception of my thinking is surprising "Don't use Zoom ... try Jitsi!"... seems off but without answering I am indeed lost and you too write quite a bit for soem specific questions

Although not too bad was a bit lacking about
- Answering questions...
- Try explaining more about your specific use cases (formal informal)...

And now I get your other replies which I enjoy the speed of but still not mentioning (d) why Gather Town etc is better / different / how it applies...

Little to no surprising you are in a bit of a circle (as well as I from lack of answer) and I'm no mind reader but it's ok...

And what you did say is clear so I'm thankful for that.

More concise questions I think are beyond me to try more for (and it's maybe a feeling thing for you now like red mist is for anger)

I don't want to repeating myself or ask you too so seems like it's saying more of the same...
(actually seems like talking typically to someone enraged about something sort of having to wave hand over face and say "hey no, I don't mean that").

We are not making little progress and I get you don't like a bunch of stuff. I tried and let us not need diminishing returns as I'm not usually pooped but getting there...

The best thing you said to help me see is:

- "I'm really not in the market to be told to use other things."

- "I'm just telling you that that's how it feels."

I think that sums it up and we can avoid more feelings.

Topic hasn't been done too badly and good to move on too... which I already said I was happy to do but got back pulled somewhat back into it again.

And more than text only I did actually invite / mention audio chatting (no answer on that)...

but since I'm moving on - do remind me later if you're up for that and maybe that solve the text filter gap / lack of real-time human-intervened clarity by voice.

Please let me know via DM onwards from here and later, and goog to give it a break from here... I too will just DM you in future to prevent this occupying our timelines if the fruits are not clear here in continuing and having done most of it anyway...

Thanks generally. And from this it's pretty great there was hardly an delay in reply... each responded which is pretty great in itself! Thanks again.

@ColinTheMathmo
>zealot for Jitsi
Nope just trying to get clarity. Metioned why I mentioned it and why I'm searching for clarity - which this got somewhat but what you want is not 100% clear

I think we can give it a break. I see you said you're in a conference which might help add to the confusion. Read it back later and just see I'm interested in what you really want...

and if you say *of course* they will not listen then I have to believe you or consider it's maybe risky somehow more than saying it and having done your bit (i.e. saying nothing is 100% not going to get that changed for you)

Thanks for replies, many have interpreted my length towards clarity (search for ? marks and see there are some you missed or didn't really say much about)

But for now in such quick exchanges we didn't not bad.

Happy to revisit later or via DM (again the "?" and reading fresh from top down means you might see it's combination of my thing / your thing / seeing what it is you want (even if it didn't exist what's the ideal?)... but please answer later maybe having a review of this in another time/environment than your current :)

@ColinTheMathmo
Okay - so the choice is important for you and maybe you feel like you can't ask them to use Jitsi? (I can get that if true)
....like you feel you can't ask even as a "fun test" or even
..."I'd like a break from the Zoom norm, could it be possible to try this link and if it doesn't work in 5mins we go try zoom again?".

Seems you're saying you feel it's not poss for asking or testing something else even for 1 of these calls formally or informally?

You have helped in clarifying so that's good.

I 'hear' (without knowing everything of course) that you also find it hard to control, maybe even hard to voice your opinion (for things like background music, not muting, etc) so I get what you mean but there is a level of asking / managing personally yourself (a bit) 'maybe maybe' possible

and then there's also just the usual "human balance" which I hear is a mixture of 2 things:

1- Controlling yourself; these tools (not being overwhelmed / having too many apps / not being pulled constantly) and people connected around, how often etc
2- And general quality of humanness or online considerations which I feel one can ask and even say your perspective as a soft-training and let people decide to continue with music on/off or not etc. Your own agency unless you feel in oppressive organisation or environments that extreme(!) where you can't try.

It's helped see more about why you like Gather Town - but for those unfamiliar - still mostly I can hear it's the moving around freedom you feel which maybe is different to why you 'must' have these Zoom calls - so is it comparable as Gatehr town seems more leisure / informal and not for your organisation ? Otherwise you could move out of the zoom call too to something else if it was a option interaction like that ! Seems like 2 use-cases here...

Even in the basic zoom ue-case (either lesuire or business) what is the frustration if you do audio or video chat when there is not much else needed to do other than watching screen and talking?
(again I feel your usage is not clear / could be clearer) because the obvious or typical answer is "don't need to use the interface for audio / video" or "how is that frustrating"?...
(I get your frustrated your organisation uses it or you feel forced... but I don't see how I could make a suggestion / are you even wanting a suggestion about that? ( other than some obvious things like ask them / change your job which I wouldn't say usually and I think you are not looking for suggestions on that)...

so apart from maybe the advice you're not looking for about changing your organisation or asking them... anyway still just for a/v chatting it would be fairly similar to assume is just speaking or watching people on screen

which is mostly handsfree / no interface really needed other than more aesthetics?

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