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So what what do you think about it? Is it just looks and bit of unification?

"Proton Is Trying to Become Google—Without Your Data"
- CEO Andy Yen

excerpt

"Today, we are undertaking our biggest step forward in the movement for an internet that respects your privacy. The new, updated Proton offers one account, many services, and one privacy-by-default ecosystem. You can now enjoy unified protection with a modernized look and feel.

Evolving into a unified Proton reflects our growth from an end-to-end encrypted email provider to an entire privacy ecosystem, allowing us to deliver even more benefits to the Proton community and make privacy accessible to everyone.

What’s new

A new unified Proton website

You can now sign in to your Proton Account at our new website, proton.me, our new centralized hub for all our privacy services. Besides giving you full access to all of our services, including Proton Mail, Proton VPN, Proton Calendar, and Proton Drive, proton.me is where you will find all our privacy resources in one place.

My take probably right with what I said at top
+ Icons could have been a bit clearer and more Proton orientated even for aesthetics!

more here:

and other excerpts below

Andy Yen, CEO of ProtonMail, stressed that the company supports the causes of activists using its service, but it cannot do so by breaking Swiss laws and ignoring court orders. ProtonMail, in fact, had to comply with a Swiss court order, which came after the French police had requested Swiss cooperation through Europol, making use of international judicial assistance

At the same time, the company stated that "no information is required to create your secure email account," a phrase later removed from the privacy policy.

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thom
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@Tutanota Here is my setup:
OS:
Browser:
VPN:
Email: (maybe mailbox.org in the feature)
Websearch:
Cloud:
Videos:
Mobile: (/e/os)
Passwordmanager:

Companies were more honest back then with their names and classifications... now a name could mean anything dubious government work... 

At least back in the day companies were more honest with their own name or sub-divisions saying what they are and what they do...

Take for today the company names:

" BAE Systems Mobility & Protection Systems "

Suspicious but yet 'benefit of the doubt'

versus it's formerly named title:

Armor Holdings Aerospace and Defense Group Tactical Vehicle Systems Division

!!!!!!!!!

:D

In the older days names at least might have been most honest or by their sub-division, category, class, classifications... a government company / unit (in case you didn't really company or division is also a military word 'just by coincidence')

Now companies are named anything with colourful logo...

even something like Pokemon Go could be undercover company!...

[goes to check Pokemon Go after tooting!]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A

@rastinza Yeah I get it... but still seems overkill for what you can do in handwash (if you want to use soaps or hardcore chemicals).
By the way 10s of years and nothing...

So looking at all the points I mentioned, testing it, and apart from a few points you have there a couple aesthetics reality should be able to live (sports and stains) which you can still deal with in handwash - I think still it's really extreme and for the exchange of having machines terrible economy (as in planet, money and resources)...

over-doing it in process (would be ok once a month maybe)
but then over-washing as a daily thing sometimes. Sickening over-use.

Not to mention the money which I didn't really mention before in buying stuff and not knowing what things are made from... repair, replacing every few years / planned obsolescences / electronic boards not replaceable or can't be found to repair.

Really extreme to get so 'clean' with all this machine related damage.

So it still seems all my points makes your points insignificant or less, as equivalents also exist,

In real ecological terms if people see the list of things (maybe I should make a picture) and say at the end it's ok then it's a psychological thing or level of clean for perfectionists (often this is what reality needs toning down as the ste up to perfection drains so much more resources than leaving things less 'white', cream or grey <--- give a fuck).

It's like all the list of things and you come back with things you can still do with handwash.

JUDGMENT: (unless you have more points):
IF you want to have an extreme exchange for what you think is necessary, then use machines, buy from them and ignore what your hands can do more honourably.

Actually I will add hand-washing probably uses more water but that is more abundant and spendable than all those heavy weights and metals, transport, factories, etc...
Depends if you value and rate all those things. I'm sure some people don't even see it and even worse psychologically think their existence themself is an infection or infestation and have to constantly scrub themself off rather than let it be A BIT MORE.

I guess it's not far off saying we went to far and now generation things this level is ok. Looking from the usage of machines on the planet and where we're at ANY climate change person or not really has to shake their psychology up and at leat pretend "ït's for the planet" and take control of their life (not just protest or write posts on Mastodon or wherever)

So on one side you have overkill in the name xyz terrorist you think exists (harmless biology mostly or enough with warm / hot water) and then on the other side you have eco-cide for your pants which I'm sure are soo bad...
You choose cide you might be on. Bit of an abrupt end but I think your pants are probably not that bad if you do it once in a while.
We're not talking about intensive hotels or hospital care here...
But a check into the mental hospital I would all civilisation.
At least to test it themselves, reduce the bar or frequency but yeah at the end: leave those machines alone, let the planet be better off without them.

HABITS: washing machines etc aren't great (a sign of over-kill and bad tech habits)... maybe similar to using how we're using BIGTech equipment and cloud storage... 

Analogy For Technology AND Change - A kind of formulae how our habits and expectations need a chosen limit and we got into this mess where

1/ climate change activist using washing machines etc aren't a great sign

2/ technologist using a massive cloud storage, Gb's to TB's to PB's is also a kind of similar crazy..

Summary:
1/ Instead of washing machine + chemicals, use a bucket and no chemicals and see what happens after drying in the sun

2/ Reduce your data down to text and audio, chosen video's or leave it to archive.org - just something not assuming infinite space usually from USA backends (multiple reasons in itself)!

DETAILS / WHY:
The analogy is that it's more than enough and ecologically honest for everything to hand-wash and yet people are putting on machines every day or feel they need a machine what can be done in the same time or less.

Massive / heavy machines which need servicing piping wiring space etc...

TEST A SOLUTION / CHANGE HABITS
Just get a bucket, fill it half or a quarter, squeeze t-shirt etc a few times and you're done! See if it killed you. Hang it somewhere.
This habit is like do-as-you-go / as you need.

I hand wash (cold, warm or hot) - I think often machines for washing are overkill or marginally needed to have anything else or a perfectionist outlook / biologically 'fascism' to try and clean something 'perfect' or get to 'white' levels... to the extent you bleach it, kill it or add chemicals only to wear it and do the same tomorrow for what is casual use.

Even bed sheets etc I do way in a bigger pot or bath tub... what's wrong with doing it by hand and then putting it on the heater, outside in sun etc to dry

Kind of like video now, too much graphics, not enough gameplay or games have been out-tech'd.

I see this basic gaming and washing the same, where I was happy playing those games so cheap in terms of hardware / operating system / Gb's / assets etc...

More Details: Wash clothes with water can be hot water / warm remember! and it's no big thing... done for years no drama. Just I do it cold and let sun burn it now.

MAIN POINT AGAIN
The habit or feeling that has been developed / been trained in us is that " it's bad without " something- always need to add chemicals. Psychological. Crazy un-eco stuff too.

In my book it's perhaps over-kill of having that kind of tech in first place, but all the points listed below will help you see it's not needed or once in a blue moon. Or we need to undo this 'advance' by BiGTECH (yeah I'm talking luxury 'White Goods' here also in washing machines mainly!)

Like maybe in a hotel I can imagine it more as mass but you see people / we in technology have to be so careful. To keep things basic... the audio / video, the hardware... dirt-cheap as possible and even decline more cloud computing American cheap-space. Understand 1000's Gb's do have a cost somewhere and in total it's the same as if you dumped a server centre next to you house!

LIST OF POINT: (Where it costs / What you don't see)

More Power Consumption - more power usually with tech (like washing machine example or graphics cards that need Wattage)
Probably people don't realise air-conditioning need fuel.

More Material - Metals, PCBs, Wires, Pies, Electric God-like mass extraction and re-dist

NEW Kills old product life-cycles - by buying new people encourage it - they track the units sold...

Maintanance - needing a machine or your data needs servicing and can also leak and cause bigger problems (water or corruption)- it's not perfect / can fuck up too and waste time, creating more problems like if data exists in the first place / you're caught with it

Habits - they changed when you upgrade because you expect to run everything fast and forget what you had and then appreciate everything less or normalise bloat / like toys when young we appreciated when we chose more and it was special/respect what we wanted
now too many toys = disinterest / uncaring attitude / 'not enough time'

Chemical additives - encourages washing power which is like death dust

Gov regulates all Tech therefore anything new from BigTech + Gov = bad / not going to be for the eco stuff.

God... I mean Gov leaning toward evil / authoritarian / without consent stuff / military first then domesticating it = never good for eco or other reasons like extracting metals from other country and causing wars there....

More space needed, delivery vans, when moving house you have to 'do' something with it.

IT'S ALL CONNECTED... JUST GET BUCKET! :) Test it out at least,

Don't be so sterile / ultra-clean / believe the killing 99% of 'bacteria' is needed -
Mixing the water with instant-death go-to-hospital chemicals is the imperative !

Others Tech Tips
Adjust how much you use or even backup - make things disposable / expired, especially if really are frequently been repeated or similar,

OUTRO
Billions and billions are using and this puts pressure on earth itself (Gov's know and actually leverage it). So we don't use or need these '' cheap '' server farm type things which look cheap but overall in the list said are not, we can see the reality they just cost everything and are eating everything else (almost people too if you think about it in those foreign countries for resources).

Costing more in life in different and more problem-causing ways.

Unless you do something hitting hard and winning the fight like archive.org (maybe could partially need deleting too)... then well it's rather bloat or just more stuff to manage... put a limit on your 'stuff' like 2 hard disks max!

Convert Video to Audio - if you have video chats ---> convert to audio MP3 / .ogg / etc if it's mostly inanimate faces you win and get hard disk space back and something low tech to upload/share etc later!

FEEDBACK WELCOME.....
Any points / counter-point welcome as other than 'making time' and creating habits (back to what we had) I don't see it much of a problem and YOU CAN START WITH 1 T-SHIRT A DAY IN A BUCKET!!!

"How are you?" questions are a TRAP!... FLAW in language usage between humans... 

FLAW in language usage between humans.

For example:
1. "How are you?" is a million things
(not going to list them!)

2. "How are you?" doesn't suggest wanted length of reply (though is open-ended sometimes people talk for much longer)

Conclusion - Many statements mean whatever YOU mean it to mean... and you can change / regret / make any excuse after without the person knowing what you meant originally

The "How are you?" example gives a great harmless example to show it means whatever you want it to mean (a greeting or really asking / caring)... and on the others side someone saying longer than "Fine" BUT people complaining when someone answers it! (a few paragraphs of text or talking for like 2mins)

More on this soon I'm sure!

I seek peaceful revenge upon language and people as it's prey!

I seek peaceful revenge upon people using language as it's prey! (ambiguity)

And then both language and people (us) using them together!
No wonder we follow the yes/no power hierarchy of thought mostly - we're not ready to ask "How are you" and get the according response by expecting almost anything or making proper space for shorter / longer articulations of it.

Nice day reflection + offer of help at the end for any pyschological hardship / difficulty... 

I probably added enough of naming-the-bad-comments just to say today was a really good day (as usual for me though I do say the bad for clarity mostly) - Today I cut my own hair, quick-showered a la Wim Hof (on grass with 2 x 5L bottle), 2 sausage barbecue and did some more editing :)

Nice day.

The local timeline was looking a bit shaky just before with a few sentences like a list of emotional dilemma and mini-crisis type sentences... which I kinda like as honesty as it's obvious all have it so it's potential healing too. I offer my psychological companionship and maybe future help (even though mostly just being present with someone is what mostly a person needs more even saying anything).

My friend messages me and I do Jitsi chat like in 5mins without saying much after a small hi and then starts work on that difficult thing!

Music culture is the key in many ways and I think it can help the many people to feel good with ourselves and others and be part of something that thrives on itself.

Culture.

Our own thoughts about it included.

Giving up privileges / reducing luxiers and levelling the playing field is one of the new challenges we face in life... 

Giving up privileges / reducing luxiers and levelling the playing field is one of the new challenges we face in life... while not letting it all go to shit either or going to complete 0. But really toning down the volume and speed a bit.

Perhaps a kind of undoing somewhat from the unfair system of gaining / having privilege itself which has gone too far I hope you agree. Our *given/allowed* privilege under strict rules / supervision / hierarchy is what the system leverages / keep us in comfort and is using as leverage to crack other things, to push / put pressure on others backed by comfortable / in-luxury people... without wanting to reduce the gap or the big step from all or nothing, contrasts or hierarchy as the main privilege and %'s paying each in the ladder or pyramid.

Systems are not aiming to level the playing field (like not upgrading your tech all the time) or go for universal human rights (geiving all the basics / being comfortable to a lower level which can be spread to more people rather than funnelled and redirected to fat cat pockets).

The birth of technology mostly for war. The mentality of war from the start of who is financing and perpetuating technology for the expansion of empires,.. 

The birth of technology mostly for war. The mentality of war from the start of who is financing and perpetuating technology for the expansion of empires, it's research and development etc.
Unfortunate.

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Puts into question all tech and how anything that exists (and is regulated) is also in question if undoubtedly only because what exists is or was wanted by the older guard and then what wasn't wanted was QUASHED / SQUASHED declared an enemy OR simply regulated to achieve the same overall outcome financially (including keeping people distracting / buying / upgrading / economic warfare / being spied upon / basically everything as long as it doesn't endanger the machine or MACHINE MINDSET domination.)

While no doubt benefits and advancement... (on top of the shit) the main aim has been advancing more the other stuff otherwise it simply wouldn't exist.
( hint: I don't think it was for freedom all this existed and still isn't! They are winning BIG so allow things to continue somewhat *conditionally* if it hits big in terms of financing war or getting money, tax to fuel the empire... Just another re-use called tech!)

Love to hear how it's not regulated and not run but gov.
thanks

P.S Token gestures of 'good-within-bad half-accepted much like monsters might give birth to lesser monsters or tech synthetics we could never build without the command and conquer metals from Cambodia or wherever. All those things conquered allow our privilege to Tech, unless you can actually make a PCB / everything from scratch... (so while I'm tolerant and not over-pricing change since we do need to effect it, it's most at the hand of THE HANDS BEFORE us that possibly prevents obvious connection and link / birth to Tech itself and arguably it's perpetuation / continual destruction / control-domination in it's creation).

While I agree talking in short is also intelligent (if it's good) this is classically from a TECH/STEM/SCIENCE point of view which almost everyone is coming from (or knows best)
The realm of FEELINGS and other parts of humanity I feel undoubtedly need more words BUT it is vastly ignored mainly because the advance of human feelings or consent or asking people how they feel and doing something with that IS NOT EVEN CONSIDERED :)
So if I'm right and the government is gives birth to everything (and starves/kills off what it doesn't want) then you can imagine feelings or tlking about one's *does not coming in to* their mentality or mostly military program.
A lot of our mental and asking powers are not used... between family occasionally but for example Dr. Freemans or other people responses usually assume this scientific side for brevity / short writing... but in the realm of people it's not like summarising an Encyclopedia page or reducing a formula so exactly... People and feelings can also be shortened, but often the homework and advancement of psychology or even just sharing how you feel NEEDS MORE WORDS which is rejected by this society... mostly because it does pay (the short version) or that the training and structure doesn't reqard or even use these feelings in order to create a healthy life... it's about technological command and conquer... of which is very clear "yes sir" and "no sir" in military vocab... similar to tech people or tech companies... through no fault of their own perhaps but you can see how binary and yes/no without the middle is similar.
So people only want to talk in these terms because binary or yes/no is perfect and perfectionism.... but sadly they miss the obvious point.... we are not perfect or machines so while a scientist or techie may prefer short and precise... to not expect irractic confusing human (especially in this confusing day and age) is quite 'racist' / ignorant and a kind of fascism against that (I say kind of and I doubt I know what these words mean... but just imagine people talking only in money / numbers / binary and you have your road to authoritarian hierarchical fascism or domination by numbers and matrix and not caring for entities or realms of feeling).
Indeed a bit of spin at the end, not deliberately wanting to go full political but really perfect science and efficiency in capitalism (tech and capitalism go together quite well for war efforts) that it's unavoidable to say who pushes these things and not those things... and well those people are some of the things I mentioned. And that's what people copy to survive.
YES?------> I don't want to hear no or a long reply! :)

I reserve the right to improve this.

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@Placholdr
If you need someone there, not even coaching just someone present to get you to keep focus, then let me know
Worth trying as you can even say to the person when you're going off track... and occasionally what you're doing even without much depth at all - a study buddy if you will....

We need to come up with creative ways so people relate to the problem. And different people relate in different ways.... 

during edits...
Caring is the context here for and other ...

"We need to come up with creative ways so people relate to the problem. And different people relate in different ways...

Examples:

Some people care about free sharing of knowledge...

Other people relate it to Dictatorship vs. Democracy...

Other people relate to it by being able to fix and repair their own car, heater, fan, object etc...

Other people relate it to by the Centralised and DeCentralised aspect....

Many types...

@primfaktor
Hi sent you a DM few days back - just in case you didn't see it, have a look.

[ dun-dun-derrr ] It's a mystery - Agatha Christie... 

I was writing about some mystery I've cleared up (in short all humans are much like shitposters) and I added the "dun-dun-derrr" in my text to represent the chords of the instrument played just before mystery or after it... (just imagine it now dun-dun-derrr like in a Agatha Christie / Hercule Poirot mystery moment when attacker is revealed or there is a pause in the scene)

And then I looked up Agatha Christie.. .and well that is one hell of a journey itself !
So if you don't ever read a book of hers ever, just read her wiki page! That's enough for a while!

[ dun-dun-derrr ]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_C

Humans who can't read more than a few paragraphs are like shitposters... (Einstein / red pill moment)... wait no way.... A wall of writing is like a blue screen of death for less intelligent people... 

@freemo Hey thanks for your reply and "devil is in the details" indeed seems to summarise it in 3 ways

1- more details, more devil
2- people probably don't want to hear / learn / see more... mostly likely just close their eyes to details / complexity / devils and instead do the minimal / safest / least invested.
3- learning demands energy and self-balance etc

I really learned something today, and although it's easy to label 'good-to-do' people as a kind of shit-poster I still had these thoughts or other alignments before that didn't make sense and what I has asked myself before about, like why people are like dead fish etc but have accounts and actively on answering others in more detail but also usually in short-only forms and ways.

Excellent work! Now how to get up from rolling around the floor after realising how crazy similar an average person is like an undercover shitposter!... What is my course of action now even if I don't stop completely trying but also I need to 'get the message' myself and leave them to it a bit since it is what it is :0)

Totally red-pilled my in realising...

Since your reply I've learned something (and this is another point why things are long or get longer having learned or realised which means in turn tangibly more )... so that's what happened also with this writing I learned something more with raised eyebrows for a few hours !..

And instead of writing here I just wrote it on a separate page if interested:

freeschool.0id.org/shitposters

umans who can't read more than a few paragraphs are quite unintelligent in communication... 

Those who can't read more than a few paragraphs are quite unintelligent or more intelligent in some way but universally lacking probably in many things as a result...

so more about this, also a mini-rant of what we're dealing with as a ' society '

So if depth across the internet and even in person in their daily life suffers and doesn't exist, if they can't stand 'communication itself' - i.e. can't tolerate talking about it then what do we do!?
I believe meeting different styles / re-balancing is always the case. How about you?

Restricting it to short only implies their ability somewhat and stance (without looking down on them) because the case more often is that it's related that you can't do short all the time with damage to understanding and suffering the cost to others or yourself.

Considering life is always more complicated than they might think, people who choose to ignore depth, repulse it, or not answer and even complain in depth about things mostly they want to avoid it (this is part of the Yes/No/Maybe).

Of course few other things involved but mostly this is your opinion without writing-off humanity also (but you do feel without this it's almost totally a big part to blame and most people can do longer conversation, just don't want to or *choose* when they want selfishly like when they complain about stuff they should have been doing something about!!)

(Less intelligent) = IF can't do long or can't ' decrypt ' others

People who expect the yahoo.com news headlines (or even Guardian) tabloid style big font short newspaper headline 'did you know' informational things that also avoid self-action / self-determination and avoid many points...

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