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The above is just the kind of example I was looking for!

More below - not a rant, just trying to work it out... so thank you for all comments before and I reserve right to change / correct it with your assistance / improve all this...

just speed read this...

and if you prefer audio then this might help for better consumption for these points...

http://freeschool.0id.org/numbers-discriminate/

MAIN WRITING / WORK IN PROGRESS

So I'm trying to get to some of these points because of how it seems some people can't do it any of the other way of thinking (so not you guys necessarily but almost everyone lol).
I think we just came from this primitive-counting 'everyone can count no probs' perspective and mixed complete things... which would ALL be ok... if it wasn't for humanity in the middle of it all!

Why to care about all other things is another way of looking at instead of specific metrics.
Why look at all life when you have such measured ways on a ruler?

Without hating anyone for there trade or practise in STEM - I'm realising (apart from trouble in life using STEM as a tool) that itself was born by incrementing Governments mostly and more recently we are realising or re-realising (as every civilisation perhaps does) especially when abusing it even more... computer says no / doesn't understand us... and that is deliberate distancing from humans (I don't have to deal with them, they just follow this tool / machine).

It's for me a kind of obvious filter since the other parts of life are lacking (people stuff mainly and largely undeveloped) so IF mostly one expects not being able to relax away from the number (and what first post mentions) for our own human interpretation then I feel we're already losing / lost.

Being valid or not basically in the end. Lol...

People are also improvable but in their own way so this way almost robs of that though we might say 'it's just a tool' but if developed by people and hammers and guns everywhere then it does make it more obvious (I consider computerisation and algorithms weaponising supermarket so go figure that one!)

I've had sincere conversations where there are small agreements about what humans need etc that include getting away from numbers or this mentality while it being tempting to count (maybe the most basics I can agree with but speculating too much is erroneous).

Overall achievable virtues are there by people but from lack of way or 'answer' or 'solution' the needle somehow jumps back into that numerical / solution-first thinking... and sometimes nothing without expecting a chain much like a miracle!
"Surely you don't mean stop the machine and look at ourselves a bit more?"

It's almost a perfectionism perhaps or too much of expectation / dependency on something else... even laziness
Again if it was kind of everything as Tech and dependency / basing off what we know is killing faster, then hey it wouldn't be so bad!

Using another tool more than self and whatever you can do I guess is the humble ecological way with little factory type expansion and more agreements with people first AND THEN all the rest maybe incremented / reducible (if it's not possible to not have then that's bad / usually not natural or planet based).

So rather than binary, a gradient or dialling down some of the damage from tech use (not saying 0 just not steroid pumped from USA) - this is one of the common examples where people immediately jump into thinking I men 0 but maybe 2000-2010 era!

MISSING MENTALITY
It's as if there is a logic board is missing (like a missing sound card or 2nd graphics or humanity card missing)
Happens in everyone in different topics but I think but this type of conversation sees chinks in armour from pure-numbers or tech-defaults as our main staple... (who cares who made it, it's iterations and damage elsewhere)

Unless you spend most of your life working snapping out of it and that beautiful honed gun of perfection then probably you are not looking toward humans and more machines (which anyway is made by humans and politics so this is why I think there is short-circuit in my brain and cognitive dissonance / disconnect from others... because it's one and the same thing(s) by people and old mentalities!) so then admitting some of these things seems key.... not separate from bastards who made it before (or just unknowingly people doing for the Empire) and it's very clever like saying money is just paper and machines are just metal.
"It's just how you spend it" lol

I almost hope I'm wrong and not pushing too hard either... at the same time I feel like a pioneer of thought probably re-doing what has been said but snuffed from lack of use and support by system and people in such an environment.

Just seems really obvious and I've lost enough chess games to admit defeat if I'm wrong so please let me know also without hating - I basically think humanity GREW UP on this and well DADs all around didn't always know better in these other fields and actually knew exactly what and how they were doing things against nations, from chemistry, biology, geography. etc all toward domination...

Anyway....

As said in first post - it's a good point- evn sound right... I think is really difficult - like telling people you're just a number but at the same time caring for them (?).

Measuring and being sensitive... hmmm (the emotional plane is not always there or subjective... or just needs for the human to be themselves)

Numbers do discriminate unique life elements, people and life in general if they try too hard without measuring *everything* AND also asking someone's own preferences and their own measuring system

Again some audio if wanted:
http://freeschool.0id.org/numbers-discriminate/

In the ecology of life just as different animals can fit in / 'work' together I think that's people (like animals tht just need to get along).. so I'm not excluding numbers and people here... but really it's hard not to go too far in it's binary usage and how bad measuring can get or people can lose count....
Summary: the middle is unclear/sometimes non existent and actually counting in the moment every time is just better for less abuse / forgetting / the human effect / whose doing the books/accounting.

I appreciate when many technologists simply can't see the point of doing anything until there is a solution...
and don't realise "not doing" IS the solution sometimes... it's like not an option for them.

To stop is not possible sometimes.
To look at one's self (in the analysis) and with others (it seems so separate / distant with tech) then understanding what boxes they are in / perpetuating and what they want more of. (possibly more control of tech itself by letting it go!)

Again people / regulators behind it all know about this and keep us hooked... it's often assumed that it's innocent-tech or non-manipulation or even unplanned stuff. I think measurably the opposite and very clever restriction WHILE giving (in one door, closing behind and giving 'new' / bad options continually / as stepping process).

Self-control perhaps is hardest in the analogue way. The shit people DON'T want to do :)
'Always better with tech' rather than eco-shitty chatting to each other stuff :)

It is possible to have TOO MANY SOLUTIONS also!
So it's not like waiting another YouTube comes along to fill your endless tech satisfaction. It is about stopping to use it until something comes a long (or better you help find others to make it)...

So habitual or business things with Google and all that... come into it but the Google could be just the externalisation and dependency etc for Gov that we allow by thinking it's not political

... the tech candy / unmeasurable damage from extraction / factories / transportation / geo-political (mixed countries) with mixed parts of it to make it and get it all to us.

This practical 'doing' is messing stuff up too and I kind of get it but there is a case for:
" it's gone too far people "...
"hang on this is too fast for us to understand"
"the tech tree branch is too heavy for life "
" We can't even calculate the real cost in money of this tech or cost to cultures for their metals we are buying through God-know what ways ".

Apologise for this but a certain blindness seems to come with this area.
It's FULL of politics and built from those politically controlling over the years.

I'll rewrite this if necessary (do help if you wish or make it on your own website to revise)

So I do love the invalid questions or realms it cannot bridge in quantifying, but also just lessening soem parts and letting other thigns growing (imagine something overgrown and not letting sunlight to other parts of garden).

And much like a different language or measuring system many things can't do right type of measurements like the value of garden itself.

Perhaps the shortest way is saying the meaning is very much lost DURING measuring.

Looking at a few attributes from 100's we/people want or gradients of different values... not exactly what the tech was developed for... and it's actively not measuring other attributes because that would take too much time (lol).

Some attributes are looked and some not hence creating a silent discrimination or mess of the uncalculated all which inescapable and mounts up as inter-operated things with others tart to lose [relativity / meaning / glue / more words?] and like a axis looses stability since all is at a changing state and different value to different elements over any given period of time!

@eqyo
This is cool by the way, not 100% sure why but it is like watching progress