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@frostknight@mastodon.online
Yeah it's like read life lemmings now!

qoto.org/@freeschool/108859797

P.S Fill in your profile btw (everyone!) so it doesn't look like your a plain lemming :)

Benefits of talking and almost random conversation... (almost the secret benefits in this post!...)

The mixture of self-exploring -at the same time allowing others tio do the same means you allow and achieves some asynchrony* and synergy* (meanings follow):

asynchrony - The relation that exists when things occur at unrelated times (in context of meeting randomly or regularly when you feel to talk and catch up that feels good after and +)

synergy - to produce an effect greater than the sum of their individual effects alone

I come to the conclusion most people are locked in various ways and that because less fertile... people can't see why to do something not 'seen' (in the eye sense) until you start talking and multiplying opening and interest...

I don't want to judge anyway but present my findings from talking- and if you test it ( as ALL STEM should do ) then you can 'see' (hear) for yourself the genuine people and benefits of talking about whatever you want...

But I notice these things stopping you:

- Being wary of people (overall or a combination or people and 'people on the internet'
(so people are skeptic / distant when coming to use people + technology. My preferred way is
a) being aware yourself
b) going for it and see what happens (and judge-at-the-end of test)
c) take what good you can good - I do think alternative views fragment and defragment thoughts where bubbles tend not to or are not challenging enough in a friendly way

I do friendly chat, I do it safe and transparent as possible without needing to tell the whole world either - it's for you to also create conversation... so this is my invitation but I will call it your 'test' opportunity and ability to say "It's shit I tried and tested it" as STEM or as a person in the world caring about whatever you care about (what you care about is usually important that anything else).

QUESTIONS (OPEN TO ALL - STEM ALSO)

Can you articulate what you care about?
Do you want to practice safely and see how this text actually transforms into good feeling?

End note:
If you can type a direct message and consider an audio-only chat soon after (like in 10mins or 1 hours) then would you mind getting in touch?

@gabriel @wjmaggos
"How do you make health a good business?". In our time, you can't. Real health is not economically interesting. The most profitable health management is to keep people sick. It doesn't mean that one shouldn't be rewarded to help people being healthy, it means that it is not an activity compatible with business-oriented projects. Maybe one day, people will willingly value being healthy and make true doctors rich, but it shouldn't be the fundamental goal of health care anyway.

@skells Any ideal preferences? Cup of wine and a pill (or whatever the softest way to die is) or Bruce Willis style?

"...the longer Russia drags this out, the more they demilitarize Europe and drain the United States military supplies and funds."
- qoto.org/@marathon0/1088671498

Feels like this quote is also the same war with people inside each country and their government because people will be losing money and time more than government so it's good to look ahead and think "they will drain us / take their money back before they accept bad management or want to change"... so it's a good idea to arm your thoughts now... not when you have even less money...

The governments will try everything to keep financial claws on their own(ed) people. [Picture here the image of a their claws]

@freeschool
I'd add that this is very interesting and ironical to see how that notion of efficiency without context nor seek of contentment eventually create a world where most solutions are not actually very efficient and tend to cause as many problems as they solve.

I had to bow to the hosing company and remove the URL bird.trom.tf/BancoPacificoEC from our Nitter instance. I had no choice but am not giving up. I will contact several organizations to try and dispute this retardation. Imagine this.....force me to remove an URL that does not store any data on our server, it is a proxy service....but who cares in this world!? Do as you are told or you get slapped...
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention

many might be worried about the implementation more than the actual function or politics of it...

so just to be clear assume it would be something not harming layout or revamping everything, just optional, and what ever that would make it basically the same as now but with something in the preferences.

I think that makes people more at rest and leave the question of "an option there is bad or not?"

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@az *** Exactly *** Mastodon has opportunity to Educate it's users in the right direction *and* even offer further embedded FOSS switches on/off or defaults to at least show what to consider as part of it's existence and general alignment... (good-practices and hints inside it)

Polished turds?! hehe ^_^

@az
Ok and... What about optional links? (so you will have both)

Or a switch in the Mastodon preferences (for those that want to enable feature to support additional or alternative links?)

@leo
Glad you mention contentment - I was looking at the section headers and starting to think "oh no it's just another similar STEM / maths / German viewpoint of efficiency which is weighted on numbers-based thinking (i.e. people don't matter or have any measurable comeback about things) and just building without even those involved in mind...
Making endless tools and gadgets for the sake of keeping busy

So it's good and I will read it again also.

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THE REST IS EXTRA / ADDITIONAL
- SO IT'S A GAMBLE TO READ ON !
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I'm currently saying / asking STEM about this without much reply which is quite telling in itself as I haven't received any big counter punches from 100's who might see it.

And anyway I think it's not their natural form of thinking... so unless I mention a new STEM tool thing or efficient machine-like thing so then probably it's not that important for them as not job-related so it's skipped... - who cares if it can be instantly weaponised or put into component like gun components? Not their fault right? Well kinda no...

As time goes on I think everything is becoming measurably even-more 'efficient' and fuelling the sterilising and technocratic life faster using STEM which also includes not talking about it in the work of STEM environment itself. Just hired hands, another kind of soldier / builder for the empire Command & Conquer style.. (it's a game using different units for the faction / empire)

Want a tank or code, fine... Wanna talk about ethics that's not the words STEM! I did suggest conciousness like STEMC because STEM is perhaps become or always was archaic-ignorant / oldskool brute-force clever.

Being paid by government might be also the biggest reason to all of this but why bite the hand that feeds you?

So to end my thing about all people / specifically STEM being paid / kept up as an extensions of Government / military (and STEM applied to every other company and sector within itself) then means a typical is what I might get:

" So we should build a solution or another system right?'
Even if I say 'building' or more 'systems' is actually the problem...

"So because you don't have better suggestion then you must be wrong"

"GUNS or any tool are made neutrally SO IT'S HOW YOU USE THE TOOL nothing to do with me"

>_<

without realising things are *ONLY* funded by people / govs / banks who don't care and have real strong proven agendas for war or just not peace in mind and profit

Working to install some consciousness in 'living' and being is going to be hard like changing sport and going from machines to people improvement.

Most stem or engineers are like "not my fault"

SUMMARY
Efficiency can be a form of ignorance without considering how parts life flows in your life and other people's... and the Government box you / anyone works inside... that needs to be respected and worked OUT...

i.e. 'Efficiency' using people starts roots of stronger problems...

STEM types of 'Efficiency' avoids the harmonising and reasoning in and exchanges it for mechanical 'efficiency'- where you're opinion or ethics doesn't even count (other than starve yourself) and you're just registered as tax income / GDP % / pot of gold for someone else to pick.

For most people on these topics *I think* people not seeing this they are thinking instantly:

** Let's not talk about it- that's totally inefficient and unsolvable! **

>_< of course the above is self-perpetuating if it doesn't try...

Efficiency can be a form of ignorance without considering how parts life flows in your life and other people's... Are people happy? Can that be efficient like a machine and should it be since we're humans?

i.e. Efficiency using people starts roots of stronger problems... and avoids the harmonising and reasoning in exchange for 'efficiency'- which maybe shouldn't be exchanged or not so hard (like it is today in my opinion where you're opinion doesn't even count or barely is registered - you're just a tax income / pot of gold for someone else to pick)

If you have the STEM-only type of 'efficiency' then that type of efficiency concept is often exactly a type of fascism / ignorance that values highly the end-product and *not* the who / what / where / why / how it was produced... no time for that! (...and no skill or intention by rulers or extensions funded (STEM) end up copying and not really learning to change the pyramid-like structure. OBEY!

So the other things like being accountable for other people's 'happiness'... oh no not efficient.

Anyway here's hoping you get that...

For TL;DR / reactionary people something for you... imagine German engineering / Nazism spectrum (so innocent or not types of efficiency) means that do things without the people stuff along the way... is totally creating unhappy people and not far from fascism / obey the boss even if they have no idea and don't care / financially based dog-bodies.

For most people on these topics *I think* people not seeing this they are thinking instantly:

** Let's not talk about it- that's totally inefficient! **

Sorry Germans / Sorry Nazis / Sorry STEM - you're regularly too good at what you do **AND** not doing the talking about it so humanity is loosing time and those level are not being upped,

(and Sorry the World - all cultures suffer from this though some cultures more than others, that's why it's called *cultures* which have known patterns though there are many who can think outside of box of efficiency...)

@wjmaggos
Yeah I agree - that's why I was happy to have it the way it was already because it flows in your life rather than any efficiency concept or product... it's part of life and keeps it easy with that in mind! Nice - I value that.

Ah yeah timestamps was the word I was trying to think of!

I felt like I was heard which is great. Thanks!

If you want to speculate about things / offload any work / send a wish-list, then feel free - with a caution that perhaps that I'm quite fast / responsive ! Thanks again...

@PiedraFiera
I think you equalised most of everything, and I don't what to say mostly... No main focus left or just accepting it is what it is without anything major in focus as the problem ... I can see we share you believe is worth salvaging ... or perhaps re-creating... which yes can be seen as problematic but I see the as-you-go human approaches I think fixes that... and being bold and challenging each other without being bastards... which might be one of the first steps in solving things as people can misjudge easily or treat things as hostile/strange/many things other than really sorting it out, taking time-outs and coming back to talking again almost aggressively coming back for more (not leaving it unless really works for them and it's not about 'giving up' too and throwing in the towel too easy from challenging topics or styles)

1. We could an audio discussion to this with points I or others have as I can turn it around fast.

2. And then this could also be a regular Jitsi Meeting with those interested and then from that a 'best of' could be made from those willing.

I suggest #1 and then gaining interest for #2.

And if not sure - helps to say why not... then we can solve / balance it all... thanks

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