@lupyuen Excuse me for coming along as a ranting troll. I appreciate your post.

What bugs me: You don't even *list* design as an option – which is not bad by itself! If you consider designers to be developers. But my experience tells me: coding developers don't consider designers as peers.

Neither do you.

It is a shame what is going on, the corporate world certainly learned fast because design in all of its forms makes a difference. Coders scratching their own itches just don't see that.