Do the people stating that Meta can’t possibly “monetize” posts originating from other fedi services not believe that Threads users are going to experience, for example, Mastodon posts as *part of their Threads timeline*…which is algorithmically populated and will get monetized as soon as Meta flips ads on?

Is there any documented reason not to believe that this not the most likely outcome?

@kissane so, is it more important that *nobody* makes money from what you post on the fediverse, or specifically that Meta doesn't?

@kissane Also, I think what you said is the most likely outcome. Fediverse content in-stream, which keeps people engaged, with ads also in-stream. I think the best thing we can do here is to define structures of consent for our posts, like "not for algorithmic feeds" or "not in feeds with ads". Next best thing is blocking Threads.

@evan @kissane "Not for algorithmic feeds" seems like it would block Mammoth. Ditto for bluesky were they to federate. Is that a consequence you'd accept for keeping Meta from showing posts?
(I would appreciate a client-side transparent algorithmic feed. Since I basically have to implement one by hand currently via lists and judicious hashtags.)

I suspect what people actually want is to block Threads.

@colo_lee @kissane I think that fine-grained permissions on people's content on the fediverse is probably helpful. I would not put that flag on my own content.

I think if you're trying to block anyone on Threads from reading your stuff, we have the tools for it right now. I don't think we have the tools yet to say, "I won't allow the following re-use: ...". I think it's possible to get it started, though.

@evan Is it your sense that the "My post got boosted by someone whose server federates with Known Troll Server despite my own server having long ago suspended Known Troll Server and now Known Trolls are in my replies but I can't see them" problem won't be an issue with Threads, specifically?

I have personal experience with that particular missing stair, and the discussions about which circumstances do and don't allow it are kind of hilariously baroque, so far, though I've tried to follow them.

@kissane you're throwing a lot at me.

You did a personal (not server) block on another server, and when someone else boosted your toot, it went to that other server? That's a problem. I'm going to log that as an ActivityPub bug.

@evan I’m not trying to! It’s a problem that’s been discussed a lot in various places this year, so I figured you’d encountered it and maybe had opinions lined up already w/r/t its relevance to Threads federation.

(In my case, it wasn’t a personal block—my home server had previously suspended Troll Server, but Troll Server got hold of my posts anyway, via boosting through other servers that didn’t block them.)

@evan (I’m afk but will pull up some conversations with more details on this when back at a desk tonight)