honest review

🟢 with AGPL license (in theory)
🔴 In reality it depends on a closed source module responsible for sync, dubious legality and misleading
🟡 Developed almost privately by a Venture Capitals funded company but accepting small contributions on GitHub and donations on OpenCollective
🟢 Store notes in (or in less supported ) locally
🟡 Forces indented lists in .md files and it doesn't support normal paragraphs at all
🟡 Introduces syntax that breaks Markdown in a very bad way instead of using code blocks where possible (in Advanced Queries?)
🟡 Based on Electron, NodeJS and NPM
🟡 UI and business logic mixed together, it forces you to always run the whole UI, including for sync
🟢 Available for Linux on FlatHub (unofficially)
🔴 AppImage is the only officially supported way to install on Linux
🟡 No official reproducible builds but unofficial Flatpak ones are reproducible
🟡 Not in F-droid (and the closed source sync feature wouldn't be allowed there anyway), you have to grab their APK manually or automatically
🟢 Supports Wayland but not by default
🟢 Custom CSS
🟡 Fixed UI, no tabs, no split view
🟡 Multi-window means multiple conflicting whole instances
🟢 Plugins platform
🔴 Plugins marketplace based on GitHub
🟡 Poor integration of plugins especially from UI/UX PoV
🟢 Very interesting concept of PDF annotations
🟡 PDF annotations not stored in the .pdf as standard annotations
🟡 PDF annotations stored in their own .md files with odd names
🟢 LaTeX formulas support
🟡 No native PDF export and in general problematic
🟡 Too many menus, command palettes and other redundant UI elements
🟢 Queries with simple syntax and UI
🟡 Advanced Queries are too often needed
🟢 Datalog query language in Advanced Queries
🟡 Very broken aliases feature
🟡 Inconsistent requirements of capitalize, lowercase etc in query syntax and elsewhere that even break some functionalities
🟢 Macros
🟡 Macros don't work with most syntax, including Advanced Queries
🟢 Supports HTML and Hiccup syntax
🟢 Supports embedding Web pages using iframes
🟢 Sync is e2e encrypted
🔴 The code for e2e encryption can't be audited because it is closed source
🟡 Tons of functionalities must be configured by editing a EDN file that it is very easy to break
🟢 Forum based on Discourse
🔴 Use (and abuse) of Discord, even release announcements are made there
🟡 Some Matrix bridges

Concept: 8/10
Execution: 5/10

CC @logseq

Given the points above and the fact I backed for a long time but addressing these issues may require *years* and maybe the project won't survive anyway that long, what should I do? Move to a simpler but better supported system like or wait and hope Logseq team figure out priorities?

Recent "AI" (sigh) native integration in Logseq (using OpenAI according to a GitHub branch of theirs, again zero communication by the team) lower my hopes a lot.

If they take money from people they should make clear what it will be used for.

CC @logseq @ednico

@post @logseq @ednico Totally agree, I get the feeling they would not choose an open source license if they started again. My vague hope is that someone starts a more open fork at some point.

@jmbmkn @post @logseq @ednico Athens and Dendron are dead. The chance of someone who will fork Logseq and develop it separately from the team is near 0.

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@nhan @jmbmkn @logseq @ednico

While a fork won't be supported financially by most current MacOS/Windows users, there are many possible improvements for those who care about privacy, including the removal of OpenAI integration.

But since Logseq is still under heavy development a patched version would make more sense than a hard fork.

See for example Bromite browser that is based on Chromium for Android but with many privacy-oriented changes.

About Dendron: being tied to VS Code made it too much developer-oriented and couldn't attract the average PKM users.

I don't know much about Athens but I think that Logseq being a good and probably better alternative was a driving factor.

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