@fediverse What type of social media do you feel is lacking most in the fediverse?
To elaborate, there are a lot of different types of social media already on the fediverse such as microblogs, regular blogs, image sharing, link sharing and video sharing.
Personally, I'd love to see a gaming-focused social media platform on the fediverse.
@ch0ccyra1n @fediverse Perhaps it already exists in some way, but I would like it if for example public or official web pages could easily connect their RSS update functionality to the Fediverse, so that I can follow a web page of for example my municipality, and also comment and engage in the Fediverse in relationship to public institutions.
Even better if Fediverse servers could treat any RSS/Atom feed as a "degraded" ActivityPub actor and let users subscribe, boosts and comment posts. We would have de facto a comment platform for everything that has a RSS/Atom feed.
Think we should call it "entry-level" actor or something like that tho. 😁
Degraded sounds it once where top-level but now its wearing off or something.
@me @ch0ccyra1n @carl @fediverse
Yes, mine was a reference to the concept of *graceful degradation*:
https://www.w3.org/wiki/Graceful_degradation_versus_progressive_enhancement
Ah thanks didn't know "gracefull degradation" but reminds me of other IT alignment processes in which a customer (me) asked for a "slim/thin" service level instead of a full blown SLA.
But going to use this one instead 👌👌
A good metaphor to be used for UI/UX could be Fediverse users as friends in a room commenting TV shows/news that are RSS/Atom feeds: friends can hear each others' comments but TV is just a one-way communication medium.
@post @me @fediverse That was indeed a good metaphor. I think that kind of interaction in the Fediverse would be very interesting to see. Cultural institutions, civic environments, public actors and so forth being able to use their ordinary web to tell of their activities, but where the choice to engage is on the receiving end.
And we wouldn't have comments split across multiple unofficial RSS->Fediverse bots as it is now.
Bots connecting different platforms are a waste of energy (and therefore have an environmental impact) when we can instead have open protocols.
@post @me @fediverse Good point too!
You can't boost, comment and vote on a RSS post, since AP sends those activities to the origin server.
But subscribing could work, Lemmy would implement a RSS reader basically.
isn't the origin server messaged just to provide counters and notifications to OP?
I don't exactly know.
Hubzilla? After the reshare other Fediverse instances like Mastodon can interact too?
@post
You are looking for #Friendica
I don't want a RSS/Atom reader integrated in my Fediverse instance. I want to be able to share/comment/like posts from a RSS/Atom feed and other Fediverse users to see them like with any other ActivityPub actor but that is publish-only.
For example to have a shared comment section for every RSS/Atom feed from the Internet.
You don't want a feed-reader in you mastodon, but you want to share/like/comment on rss-feed-postings...
Maybe i don't understand, what you really want...
The same result of using ActivityPub plugin for WordPress but without it because all it does is publishing articles as an AP actor and we can share/comment/like them.
I don't see why we can't stop requiring a website to be a publish-only AP actor and just look at its RSS/Atom feed.
You don't want rss from a website, but native activitypub-actors. Did i get you?
The Web is full of RSS/Atom feeds that will never turn into AP actors so I am saying that there should be a standard way to treat RSS/Atom feeds as publish-only AP actors.
You can tell this is properly implemented if you can see all the comments from other instances (known to yours) together under the same article from a feed.
It would if it was `@arminwolf@arminwolf.at` without the need of another server (soc.schuerz.at).
What Friendica is doing is having RSS->AP bots as a built-in feature. It suffers of the same problem of bots: there can be multiple unofficial bots and each of them depend on a third-party service (other that my instance and the feed i.e. the Friendica instance or the instance of the bot).
For example this is the WordPress site from the AcrivityPub plugin author: @pfefferle
No other server involved, but it needs to "speak" AP.
I am suggesting the same experience for the end user but behind the scene the Fediverse instances are reading the RSS feed of website and then presenting them as AP actors that only publish. If this will be made in a standard way, we would see each other's interactions on feeds.
Tjo... that is distributed fediverse...
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The Fediverse is... federated i.e. decentralized but not distributed and it is based on Web domains (DNS) anyway, so it is only natural to use the original website as the source of information instead of mirror that same information using multiple bots just because RSS/Atom and AP uses different formats.
If People want their Blogs in Fediverse, the peopke have to bring them to fediverse...
There are so many different webservices out there, all the devs have to develop AP-extensions additionally to their solutions.
Yes... it would be nice...
Until the world reached this point, i will use friendica ☺️
If this was possible, you could be absolutely certain that at least #Friendica and #Hubzilla would have had this very feature implemented since long before Mastodon was even launched. But they don't, although they federate with just about everything that moves otherwise.
@jupiter_rowland @fediverse I see, and realize the complexity. Given this, it would be awesome with that kind of connection, some kind of tool that could take any web page and make a two way connection in the style of RSS. Something easy to install or connect to a web, and provide interaction.
Matrix.org powers a federated annotation platform for the Web:
You will never be able to use Mastodon to comment on a post on a blog with a backend that has last change at some point in the 2010s or the 2000s. The blog doesn't even have a back channel in any shape or form. It'd have to pull a WordPress and install a proper ActivityPub connector.
Even Friendica or Hubzilla devs would have to take ONE blog and hackney themselves directly into the backend of that one particular blog, directly into the SQL database. Much like Friendica established federation with Diaspora* back in the day when Diaspora* had nothing even resembling an API. They had to reverse-engineer the Diaspora* protocol and crack the encryption. It took literal months. And when they were done, the connection was established by latching directly onto Diaspora*'s database with no actual interface at all. It was akin to connecting a piece of out-board hardware to a computer using a drill and a soldering iron.
At least, Diaspora* was a whole network. Here I'm talking about ONE (1) website. And when they're done, they'll have to move on to the next one. And so forth.
@post @ch0ccyra1n @fediverse That would be quite a thing!