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@freemo @pj A large percent of gun sales are not registered or tracked. Private sales are not tracked.

@freemo @pj Judge in TX ruled that those conditions are not sufficient to take away a gun and the Supreme Court is reviewing the case. Most commentators expect them to return the gun to the domestic abuser:

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/the-fifth-circuit-court-decides-to-protect-abusers-guns

@pj @freemo Not to mention books, pictures of Renaissance art, and guys in dresses.

@freemo @pj Did not mean to misrepresent. I mentioned extreme risks and people with schizophrenia specifically, you said that mental health issues were not relevant. Sorry, if I misunderstood. That was how your statement sounded to me.

Whereas, the Supreme Court is currently looking at returning guns to a man who held a gun to his partner's head while threatening to kill her, shot at witnesses, and threatened police officers with his gun.

I would hope that you would agree people in this class should not be armed. (Which puts you in the pro-gun control camp in the current US situation.)

@pj @freemo Remember, in this thread he objected to not arming violent schizophrenics who are hallucinating and threatening people.

@pj @freemo You are not being fair to US history. In the "Wild West" they confiscated arms before you could enter the town. They were not stupid:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/

@louiseadennis @annedrewhu I like the term for two reasons. 1 it is accurate using Frankfurter's definition and 2 it gives the tech the gravitas it deserves.

A tool that spouts n'importe quoi just because it sounds credible is of minimal utility really. A bullshit generator

@louiseadennis @annedrewhu I really think we should use Frankfurter's terminology: Bullshit

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit

@freemo @pj That is good.

Thanks.

@freemo @pj
Eye tests? Epilepsy? Repeated DWI? Or just repeated accidents?

I just wonder about that.

Like the current case before the supreme court dealing with a man whose wife got a restraining order after he pointed a gun at her head and threatened to kill her, shot at witnesses, and threatened law enforcement officers with his gun. I think there are some people, for example schizophrenics, who should not have guns.

@freemo @pj Do you have citations for those quotes?

It does not seem to match actions of the US government at that time. (ex. Whiskey rebellion).

@freemo @pj Slavery was definitely not the only factor in drafting the 2nd amendment.

Also, the colonies were more rural at that time than most of the USA is now and the country as a whole was in a more precarious state.

I feel that a lot of the division on gun rights in the USA is a rural/urban divide. Living at my uncle's ranch in West Texas, you really need a gun for pest control, etc. In the college town where I live now, a gun really has zero utility. So residents of those two regions will have a legitimate difference of opinion.

Finding that guns provide a "sense of meaning to your life" as stated in the Scientific American article is not something I would be able to accept anyway. Neither do I get a sense of self from my car, house, etc.

@freemo @pj Sources for my comment:

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002107670/historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment\

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/opinion/second-amendment-slavery-james-madison.html

I take that view from the publications of these historians.

The often stated view of individuals being armed against the government seems to me to be a bit shakier in view of how the fledgling US government responded to things like the Whiskey rebellion. If they sincerely wanted individuals to be able to shoot federal agents, they would not have responded so strongly to those attacks.

@pj @freemo My understanding is that this concern goes back to the founding of the USA and that the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia" refers to concerns of white Southerners about their ability to respond to slave rebellions. Like Harper's Ferry.

@spaf I think you stumbled upon the secret. I have heard others note that if you pronounce it in French, Chat GPT is "cat, I farted.' Your recipe fits that very well.

@lauren if they want that data, they should buy it from the data brokers. Like everyone else.

@adambienkov Exactly how is this any worse than anything else has done for the last 10+ years?