@11112011 @skells @Terry what's the problem with that? It's a good move by Pfizer.

@apropos @Terry @skells none u cant die of the blood blah blah if u have med

@11112011 @Terry @skells I don't actually want people to die of the vaccine, alright?

@apropos @11112011 @Terry I thought the clotting thing was Astra Zeneca.

The whole neurological / heart attack things probably won't be helped by anticoagulants

If only there was some research going into these issues rather than Biden mumbling about aliens while pharma takes their rake

@skells @apropos @Terry i actualy think the jab is just water

@11112011 @Terry @apropos you just need to BELIEVE

@skells @11112011 @Terry AZ's clots were just more loudly reported. After J&J was paused (effectively halted in the US, when I considered getting it after the pause was lifted, it wasn't offered anywhere) there was a big backlash against such reporting because it leads to "vaccine hesitancy", the worst thing the world.

We're not allowed to have an open discussion about this because if we were the obvious answer would be to vaccinate 600lb 60-year-olds and let the virus run its course with the rest of us.

@apropos @11112011 @Terry and treat early with the zoo of FDA approved drugs that have demonstrated effectiveness.

At this point it's become about control, they can't afford to lose face now Pfizer is balls deep on their "watch"

@skells @apropos @Terry what history tells u about pharma? did they ever lost?

@11112011 @Terry @apropos who doesn't love a challenge

@skells @Terry @apropos its just comon sense u dont need to be an expert to forsee they aint losing

@11112011 @skells @Terry they've already made their money, they're immune from any consequences, and they've proven the technology... to an extent, even for people who don't like it. They've got a bright future with thousands of therapeutic uses of it that people will get four times a year. They can win while the lockdownists still lose.

@apropos @Terry @skells cept for greed to sell till u got the max of vaxed ppl

@apropos @11112011 @Terry
From where I'm standing the cracks are already starting to show, hard push for the vaccinations has led to other solutions being suppressed.

If it turns out that we're out of the woods and there are no long term consequences for the vaccines then maybe they're home free

Somehow I don't think this is the end of it; with vaccines seemingly selecting for more virulent forms of the disease and booster shots on the way there's a lot of potential for this to get ugly.

Hopefully the worst is over and well be back to normal in a few months. This doesn't change the fact that the whole system needs to be changed - these lobbyists need to be torn out root and stem, the stakes are getting too high.

@skells @apropos @Terry u want to gib us all horse drugs i get, on other news here all is schualed to be over the latest in october, again no one is dying and we on track to get 85% of jabbed

@11112011 @Terry @apropos fingers crossed mate, truly

@skells @Terry @apropos im taliking about our reality u dont see anyone scared of the jab ppl just want it all over and done u dont earr ppl died nothing of that sort

@11112011 @Terry @apropos the missus had a rough time with the 2nd dose, had to sit there and watch that all night, and family friends at dinner know a girl who didn't take the second because of brutal neurological symptoms.

I ain't saying that the short term benefits don't outweigh the short term harm, it's the long view that has me concerned and anyone who tells you they know the long term risk/benefit are either lying or delusional.

Ivermectin has been prescribed 3.7 billion times and it's killed 16.

Pfizer have delivered a few million doses in the last year and it's linked to ~5000 deaths and God knows how many serious adverse events. And this is just short term stuff with a novel technology.

Tell me more about reality mate.

@11112011 @Terry @apropos few hundred million*

@skells @Terry @apropos no one can say thry know the long term effects neither way in dis we agree

@skells @Terry @apropos this is also why i dont buy fearmongering about the jab no one can know yet

@11112011 @Terry @apropos sure, but if a children of men/fertility reduction scenario is at 0.5% probability our species won't survive if we keep pulling that trigger

Some risks you simply shouldn't take, no matter what the payoff, and it looks like the payoff is pretty shite anyway.

@11112011 @skells @apropos

side effects may include: myocarditis, heart attack, stroke, blindess or death. please consult a physician if you..actually don't consult a physcian just trust us unconditionally. SCIENCE!
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@Terry @apropos @skells yea some ppl get a little tired for 2 days or so either than that havent heard nothing more

@Terry @11112011 @apropos @skells

Would you get the shot if I offered you 1000 usd?

@11112011 @Terry @apropos also, when you say horse drugs to a Brit they assume you mean ketamine, had to think about that one a bit

@11112011 @Terry I think there's some side of this conversation, apparently being held in the depths of fedi, that I'm unaware of