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@yogthos @swiley @clacke Lot of picture during the propaganda operation, was showed as false by turkish, generally, Turkish nationalists are panturkists. Uyghurs are turk (more than one from Turkey, that some turc tribes invaded in several waves starting from 11th~12th century if I'm not wrong) US asked for sanction against China at ONU. All countries voting for are in NATO, no muslim voted for this, nor turkish country (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkemnistan, Turkey), half voted against this. This is strange for a politic against islamic minorities.
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your argument is that the Turkish government agrees with you that the Uyghurs deserved the violence from the Chinese government?

My job involves ensuring that the internet works and works without censorship from *any* government. I should point out that the Turkish government has gone to extremes that most people thought no one would bother to in order to censor the internet for it's people. The Turkish government, as far as I am concerned as a technologist (and not an American, since I harbor an extreme distrust of my own government) is at war with its people.

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos Not Turkish gvt, turkish activists on the net.
But your are true, Turkey, among all turkish countries and muslim countries (that are all bad after US), do not agree with the US+NATO stance.
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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Disagreeing with NATO is fine (even a good thing often.) Preventing people from communicating securely is not and that's what the Turkish *government* did. eff.org/deeplinks/2020/11/turk

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos If you don't know china, you don't know that Uyghurs are not the only muslim minority. The most important one is Hui, there are also, Kazakhs (turkish too) and Tajiks (persian).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

The french one has a bit more, but anyway this is far from being complete.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_mosquées_de_Chine
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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social It doesn't matter that there are other muslim groups.

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos In the official NATO propaganda, islam is forbidden and turkish culture destroyed... ^^.
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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Do you want to cite that? It's news to me.

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos Voice Of America propaganda, saying that Muslim marriage is forbidden, and mosques destroyed. I didn’t read the whole article. Voice of America (and Voice off Asia, Asian branch), was created by US gvt during Cold War, for propaganda.

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos Sorry I don't want to add more link on the Internet to their site and help their propaganda, I will stop to post them. You can use yourself any search engine available.
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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social The issue with this is that China isn't allowing journalists into the country so we just have to trust them. Why not let journalists *show* that the propaganda is false?

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos I will not restart the same conversation that yesterday, the gvt asked to foreigner journalist to come in China to verify, showed what was so called satellites pictures of concentration camps (schools, town hall, etc..). The reeduction camp was made at Daech time, and count about 10K prisonners, with willing to reinsert them and have a good job, not 1 million.
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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Looking at the reports from outside journalists it sounds like the only thing we have wrong is the scale. China is still running concentration camps for people it has political/religious disagreements with.

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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Oh I see. I thought you were saying NATO is intolerant of muslims.

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos Oh, yes too... You forgot wars in Near East, Middle East, North Africa and West Africa ? We have a government that made a IslamLeftist (#islamogauchisme) propaganda in France too. Most Scholars published articles against this. This is just a revamped version of Nazis Judeobolchevik stance.
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@swiley @clacke @yogthos https://www.aclu.org/other/factsheet-nypd-muslim-surveillance-program
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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Yes. The US has a surveillance problem. China's is much worse. Police surveillance doesn't affect people's credit report for example. These police departments are also usually brought back into line eventually.

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@swiley @clacke @yogthos Social Credit is for money as in the US, but only for people having huge debt, blocking them to buy luxury products, not like in the us reporting someone that take one day little food to be able to eat. The Chinese social credit system include also enterprises regulation, to show to citizens if the company respect standards. This is in both case for the benefit of citizen, reduce their debt and addiction and have a better protection against companies with bad behaviour.
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