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can play videos on tv with cool interface

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can’t just turn the TV on though because if you start X without an HDMI client it won’t ever start the display and you have to reboot to get the interface up

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@icedquinn Wait what? I hotplug HDMI displays with X almost every day.

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@swiley i just turned the TV on and i had to kill and restart X remotely to get kodi up. and when i turned on X without the TV active it didn't work when i turned the TV on, until i reset it *while the TV was on.*

also my desktop (much newer computer) worked with HDMI but since i changed to a displayport monitor X will 'forget' there is a monitor there and won't use it if its turned off too long. have to restart X while the monitor is alive to fix.

but that's the cost of freedom i guess.

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@icedquinn@blob.cat @swiley@qoto.org I have the same category of bs on the pinephone. usb c display hotplug will fuck up X like no other (i thought this was wayland country anyway??)

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@purple @swiley i kind of barely got wayland to work when i tried gentoo.

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@purple @swiley i remember getting something like sway to boot, but things were very slow. i think it was running everything under opengl emulation since i remember being able to start kitty term but it ran like molasses. i booted back over to X and i can at least use these old junkers for a while longer.

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@purple @swiley what i don't understand is how we can't just get a monitor to work when we plug it in to a port. why do we have to do any of this bullshit?
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@icedquinn @purple You could run a deamon in the background to do it. None of the OSes I use (besides guix which I haven't tried this with) run *anything* in the background after bootup besides agetty.

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@swiley i managed to get the majority of the new monitor issue fixed by finding out and turning off some DI/DC thing that is apparently some monitor control.

now i don't have to restart lightdm every time the monitor is off for 30 minutes.

@purple

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@icedquinn @purple But you really don't need to restart your display server to enable/disable monitors. It's something like `xrandr --output HDMI-1 --auto` to turn it on IIRC.

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@swiley @purple i saw someone was setting up macros to xset dmps force on (which i tried, and didn't work.)

my point is why do i have to do any of this shit. the apple tax pays for "i don't have to learn obscure commands to turn a monitor on."

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@icedquinn @purple If OSX works for you it's nice that you can throw money at the problem. OSX has some serious issues that make it useless as far as I'm concerned.

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@swiley @purple i have no idea who to talk to to get some of these problems permanently fixed.

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@icedquinn @purple The maintainers of your distro probably. You could maybe write a udev rule that works for you and suggest that and see what they say.

IMO: xrandr is pretty user friendly (except that no one tells you about it) and there are worse things to be upset about.

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@swiley @purple probably not going to happen any time soon if it requires more than sending off an email
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