#Ukraine #SMO Situation
#Ugledar to #Svatovo SitRep
—based on the review of open sources
As of today, the Russian Army is reported to be conducting counteroffensive operations along the Svatovo-Kremennaya line of the front.
This came as a surprise to the Ukrainian forces, which were forced out of Novoselovskoye. The Russian forces are also conducting attacks in the direction of Makeevka, Torskoye, Yampolovka, and a number of other settlements that were lost after the Russian withdrawal from Krasny Liman.
Near #Bakhmut, #LPR forces and Wagner PMC units have re-entered Opytnoye and are conducting artillery preparation in the area south of Artyomovsk, intending to move toward encircling the city. Ukrainian forces suffered losses of 500 just in WIA over the past two days here.
Near #Ugledar, Ukrainian counterattacks near Pavlovka, Shevchenko, and Novomikhailovka were repelled, with the Ukrainian forces suffering significant losses.
In #Maryinka, the Russian army is fighting well in the centre of the settlement, and the Russian soldiers are assisting in the evacuation of the civilian population. The Russian army is conducting artillery strikes at the rear of the Maryinka grouping, as far west as Kurakhovo, attacking the Ukrainian reinforcements and preventing their advance.
@marathon0 it’s bizarre to me to invent these baseless claims to promote Russian genocide by the criminals in the kremlin
@tonic
Oh for gawds sake what have you got against the Russians? You really have no clue what's going on do you?
As for your response, what exactly are these baseless claims in terms of the article? Be specific!
@marathon0 I object to russia s use of sexual violence as a weapon of war and filtration camps where they exterminate civilians - what’s your favorite thing about genocidal Russia - please tell me
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They are executing civilians in camps? Jesus christ I didnt know all that.... Regardless I knew russia was pretty evil
@freemo @marathon0 well they call it filtration camp not concentration camp but it’s quite obvious what s going on there - and it’s simply disgusting to not only defend it but to promote it
Regardless of what they call it, do they outright murder people in these camps as you suggest or what?
@freemo @marathon0 it’s horrid , and yes they murder civilians there, separate children from their parents, and forcibly deport people from their homes… not to mention the missile terrorism campaign promoted by these state run media openly and gleefully describing targeting civilians with weapons of war for the purpose of genocide
@freemo @marathon0 "One rocket fell on this territory, other rockets also fell on the territory of the city of Dnipro, on civilian objects that do not belong to the military or to critical infrastructure. These were civilian objects that are engaged in their civilian affairs and business," said the Deputy Oleh Kushniruk, head of the Department of State Emergency Services of Ukraine in the Dnipropetrovsk region for responding to emergency situations - from just this morning
I was more curious about the extermination camps... the bombing of civilians is horrific on its own but I have a good idea about that already.
@freemo @marathon0 New York Times in general had some of the best exposes on this topic , I ran out of free articles with the link I posted though 😅
I am generally distrusting of for-profit media but in the case of ukrain I have not seen any big issues with NYT so they seem like a good source on this.
@tonic Horrible if true. Even if not, war is horrible in its own.
From what i gathered, it seemed like there were possibilities for peace talks, which were boycotted.
For this i also have no proof, as wartime news are extremely unreliable.
But if it is, i blame those boycotting the peace talks as well for anything that happens as a result.
@admitsWrongIfProven how can ukraine which is a peaceful country boycott peace talks when it’s being invaded with the overt goal of genocide by criminals in the kremlin and their army using rape as a weapon of war? There’s a striking lack of basic human decency when you blame Ukrainian (the target of the invasion) in order to justify their genocide and that’s not a good look
@tonic Wait, you're mixing things together. Some time ago, there was media attention on possible peace talks. Then, there was nothing to be heard.
This has nothing to do with what exactly is currently happening about concentration camps.
And boycotting works by not going to the place that was meant to host the peace talks.
And i do not blame "Ukranian", i blame whoever was not interested in having peace talks when it was possible. I do not know who exactly that is, and it could have been the russian side too. Although that is unlikely, because that is something i would expect to be reported.
So now, the war is still going on, people still get killed, and i suspect leaders of western countries have not done what they could to stop it.
@admitsWrongIfProven if you’re using this basis to condone Ukrainian genocide by Russian troops it would be wise to keep abreast these events because saying “I do not blame” does not necessarily make it so . Especially if you want to be taken seriously
@tonic Maybe i should set a baseline here:
- The russian people have been treated horribly, starved, robbed, murdered by their own leaders
- The russian leaders have a history of horrible things. They steal from their country, commit homicides, invade other countries
- The west has a history of agression too
- The west has aided in the robbery mentioned in the first two points
What is on my mind is that the common people suffer, while leaders point fingers. The russian leadership has committed warcrimes, which i condemn.
What is adding insult to injury is people acting like the western side is doing the best they can and are totally blameless.
@admitsWrongIfProven this is an unconvincing way to condone genocide (and it’s frankly disgusting to do so) because you’re using false pretenses as a basis to justify genocide
@tonic You lost me here. It seems your answer does not actually fit what i have written.
If you intended to make a point, i am sorry, but i am not able to understand it.
@admitsWrongIfProven to clear it up : you’re condoning Ukrainian genocide by repeating bad faith arguments and it’s appalling to me
@tonic Can you specify what exactly is bad faith? Can you specify how i "condone genocide", although i clearly stated that i do not?
@admitsWrongIfProven yes , although there are many points , some were explained above. What makes this conversation in bad faith is saying “I don’t condone Ukrainian genocide” while clearly condoning it and justifying it.
@tonic @admitsWrongIfProven and the victim blaming is frankly indecent
