In response to automation replacing jobs I often say "Get a career that is high-skill that cant be automated"...

What people thing I mean:

* Mathematician
* Programmer
* Electrical Engineer

What I mean:

* Everything above
* Magician
* Actor
* YouTuber
* Etc.

@freemo An old problem with organizing a society... naively, one would expect productivity gains to translate into more leisure time for everyone. Yet, that never materializes and people are pushed to either be productive or at least look like it.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Oh, but the productivity gains DO translate into more leisure time for everyone.

It's just that people go on to trade that leisure for wanting more stuff.

It's easy to work for the standard of living of a century ago. It's just that now we want air conditioning and YouTube in addition to food.

@freemo

@volkris @freemo My point is that those made redundant by productivity gains do not trade anything, as they don't earn money any more. They need to find something else, not profit from the gains that were had.

You may accept that as how it is, but it is not a natural law that it has to be that way.

@admitsWrongIfProven

If that's your point then why bring up leisure?

Anyway, that's a gross over-generalization with echos of the old Luddite attitudes that we so rightly criticize.

Not only will so many made redundant by productivity gains continue to earn money doing other things, but often those things will have been made possible by the productivity gains themselves.

And the gains in productivity will even unlock more opportunities for leisure, that you were so concerned about.

There will always be folks in difficult situations that society needs to address, but productivity gains also makes that easier as well.

Bring on the productivity gains. Let's not cling to the past out of fear of advancemet.

@freemo

@volkris @freemo Wait, what? Now "luddite" is something bad all of a sudden?

I have some inkling you might not just sidestep the inequality problem, you want it to exist.

So let me ask directly: do you?

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@admitsWrongIfProven

As for the inequality problem, why would I go out of my way to state that society needs to address it if I want it to exist?

We ABSOLUTELY need to address peoples' needs, and that's exactly why we need to embrace increases in productivity, as that gives us more resources to do exactly that.

@freemo

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