@worldsendless Don't get me wrong here. I love #Emacs and I'm probably working in Emacs for the majority of my computer hours.
However, Emacs is NOT doing "very, very good" at #email - at all.
I can't accept meeting invitations, it doesn't link to any groupware server in an easy and reliable way, I can't compose invitations.
There may be hacks but so far, I didn't see anything I'd recommend to anybody.
For the average business usage, Emacs is a total failure with respect to email. 😔
@publicvoit @worldsendless I so wish you were wrong :). I happily use Mu4e for personal emails, but when trying to actually work with people, especially groups, it becomes, well, less useful.
@jackbaty @publicvoit @worldsendless I’ve only ever tried Gnus for email. Is Mu4e better?
(Incidentally, I’ve been toying around with @drewdevault‘s aerc for the last couple of days, and quite liking it so far, but that’s outside of the emacs realm)
@dekkzz76 @nathell @publicvoit @worldsendless I never understood Gnus. Mu4e works best for me for day-to-day email, but notmuch is very good at search and tagging. For CLI I was a longtime Mutt user. Never tried aerc but it looks interesting.
@jackbaty @nathell @publicvoit @worldsendless
IMO having used both over a period of time mu4e and notmuch are pretty equal.
@jackbaty @dekkzz76 @nathell @worldsendless In my personal life, I'm using #mutt (#slrn, #zsh, screen->#tmux) since decades on a server. Only my business #MUA (#evolution) is installed on my business host. See also https://karl-voit.at/apps-I-am-using/ #PIM #email
@publicvoit @worldsendless Do we regard "groupware" (i.e. Outlook) features as core elements of "email"?
@mhd @worldsendless I consider managing invitations as core elements of business email usage, yes. I don't want to switch from my MUA to a web interface to simply press the "acceppt"-button or to compose an invitation email notification.
@publicvoit @worldsendless Yeah, that's a prime case of embrace, extend, extinguish.
@publicvoit @mhd @worldsendless
I couldn't tell you how (but I think it's through gnu-icalendar) but I can click to accept invitations in Gnus.
@bthalpin @mhd @worldsendless Sounds like a "works on my machine" solution and not like a groupware integration. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd really like to read about Emacs workflows for business.
@publicvoit @mhd @worldsendless
It's an I-don't-quite-know-how-it-works reply, but gnus-icalendar (which I think is built-in) gives Gnus some iCal functionality (so integration, if limited).
I *think* this is what gives me the accept/decline buttons to click but I couldn't confirm without a bit of experimentation.
(require 'gnus-icalendar)
(gnus-icalendar-setup)
@bthalpin @publicvoit @mhd I've wondered why those "accept" buttons just work...
@bthalpin
mu4e hooks into the same functions so that you can at least reply to invitations quite easily: https://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/iCalendar.html
I have written a package that imports events from CalDAV servers via vdirsyncer and khal (called khalel) and I am working on invitation creation. But there is a lot less existing tools to build upon so it might not go that far.. At least import from invitations works already.
So I feel your pain, Karl!
@publicvoit @mhd @worldsendless
@publicvoit @worldsendless trouble is those invitations are part of a proprietary mechanism
Evolution is quite Outlook like and says it works with Exchange
@worldsendless ...and the best bits wont be locked away behind a paywall as microsoft have done with .dotnet