Hi #Fediverse #activitypub devs, @cwebber @rhiaro et al..
We're slowly evaluating underused actor types like as:Group and as:Organization and also, with an influx of new users, we are evaluating more powerful ways to moderate our communities.
Are we approaching this at the right level?
Aren't we working in different domains that do not so neatly fit the Microblogging capabilities on which #mastodon and #pleroma have thrived?
Is it time to define what Community means?
No, we can't work in different domains, cause it is clearly defined in the Conformance Section:
“ENTIRETY of the client||server portion”
THEY must find ways of how to represent all types, not us for them.
But pleroma and mastodon are totally different in the sense that pleroma is using C2S and mastodon is not.
Nice discussion yesterday https://chat.indieweb.org/social/2021-01-25
Now when we have a compatible pleroma/immers/redaktor/etc. server, the software in question is only M.
@sl007 think you may be interpreting 'domain' wrong here?
I am talking in terms of domain-driven design i.e. 'business domains', or in linked data terms vocabularies / ontologies. Like #forgefed is in different domain than #microblogging.
C2S in technical sense defines an API interface.
But you are right about Conformance and supporting the ENTIRETY of client + server. Community domain is modelled on top of AS/AP in that regard, where #activitystreams is the Core Ontology.
Yes, understood.
My point is that if mastodon stays the elephant in the room and dictates an API as standard and does all important things behind the stage https://eunomia.social/EUNOMIA-D3.2-Architecture-SUBMITTED.pdf
while twitter worked with a team to do Birdwatch together and transparent
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2021/introducing-birdwatch-a-community-based-approach-to-misinformation.html :
We are lost.
@sl007 @humanetech @cwebber Did you see this Cory Doctorow thread? he explains decentralization/vendor lockin in a simple way, and touches a bit on the advantages for moderation and free speech and communities: https://mobile.twitter.com/doctorow/status/1353908746959773696
@rhiaro I'm not convinced by this thread. It underestimates which dominance bigger instances have over smaller ones end their decision making. 😕
Seems a little bit naive to me. (he also posted it on his federated account btw) @sl007 @humanetech @cwebber
@eest9 @rhiaro @humanetech @cwebber
full ack here – reason why I propose to limit instances
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/intervention-after-2021-storming-of-the-united-states-capitol-wip/1298
NOW https://privacycamp.eu
“Wiring digital justice: Embedding rights in Internet governance ‘by infrastructure’”
@sl007 When twitter decides to implement some form of federation it won't limit their amount of users. ;) @rhiaro @humanetech @cwebber
@eest9 @rhiaro @humanetech @cwebber
I am aware of this.
But I care about justice not about birds.
Inviting the authors of the protocol to do the same. Now.
Also:
Why shouldn't there be a "fediverse of trust" and "a fediverse".
At twitter the blue checkmark means celebrity.
At redaktor the orange checkmark means credibility …
@sl007 @eest9 @rhiaro @cwebber
The thread may be veering a bit off-topic, but I want to remind you of @darius conf video "Let's Play and Win Our Own Game".
We at #fediverse are not twitter. We need not model along twitter lines. We need not be as big as twitter, or FB or any FAMAG for that matter.
We are based on AS/AP open standards, and should continue our open-standards based approach. Add our domains to interoperate with. Do research, innovate..
And THEN likely:
We win at our own Game!
@humanetech @sl007 @eest9 @rhiaro @cwebber @darius
Maybe we could agree on a standard use of FAGAM as I have seen this as GAFAM. If we can find some sort of consistency it will really help too.