Honestly, I'm not sure anymore which one is good and which one is evil between Google and Microsoft.
I'm not that naive to think a corporation will act in a way other than to gain profit. But there are a lot of ways to gain profit and to build trust with the customer.
And I'm really not sure I can trust Google anymore and starting to build a real trust for Microsoft.
And the latter is a much more surprising fact than the former I must say.
@lig Corporations are not your friend, how hard is this to understand
@Matter I'm not making friends here. I'm hoping that some of those understand that building a user's trust is crucial for their success.
And it interesting to feel how my trust changes.
@zleap @lig @Matter I just came across this and I think it is an interesting point. Do people still trust corporations? Most people I know don't "trust" corporations but have a more "I don't care" attitude or have zero trust. My personal mantra, if I cannot find an alternative way, is to look for the lesser of two (or more) evils.
I find people don't care too, a lot of people have perhaps pretty much accepted defeat on this. We need to remember that WE are their customers and income source, either directly or via adverts (pay per click) or other means (data)
My recent scary experience with this was when I attempted to get friends and family over to Signal after Whatsapp's new privacy policy news run. I only got 10 people to get Signal! The most worrying resistance I got was "I don't want another app on my phone!". Privacy isn't even worth a block of pixels!
Sorry about the rant
@DrunkShawarma @zleap @Matter Clearly, you didn't explain it well. The number of apps would stay the same. There is now point in installing Signal (which is bad as hell btw) unless you are removing WhatsApp.
@DrunkShawarma @zleap @Matter
Regarding Signal being not free at all, read this thread of mine https://fosstodon.org/@lig/105552672458806219
@DrunkShawarma @zleap @Matter For me, this https://fosstodon.org/@lig/105552856425961503 puts Signal in a lifelong blacklist.
These are good points but I don't feel they are strong enough to blacklist Signal or any app for that matter. In the end of the day all the tools, and in fact society, is built upon trust. If there is no trust then these is a fundamental limit to progress due to the limited mental and physical capacity of us as a species. For example, how do you know that the manufacturer of your phone or computer hasn't installed a backdoor in the firmware to allow them access to your data? Regarding Signal getting shut down, I feel like that is a weird reason to blacklist something. In effect any number of things can shut down but that doesn't mean I wouldn't use it while it is there.
@DrunkShawarma
The thing is they have aggressively pushed an alternative client of of existence and then reused its code.
This looks too shady for me to trust them for a second.
@zleap @Matter
I am not sure that is true and if it is then it seems like the userbase of Signal didn't mind it [1]. LibreSignal was created to be a Google-free messenger and so they made it. Then they realised that they also wanted to connect to the Signal's "normal" users through federation. Since Moxie's experience with the federation of CyanogenMod wasn't good, Signal wasn't didn't want to go down the same route. However this issue was later solved by making Signal Google-free. So I don't see the issue here. Everyone is happy as far as I can see.
It seems to have achieved the aim of making signal google free which was the intention, just maybe not quite in the way that was intended. This appears to be a win win, maybe LibreSignal can exist but if it's brief existence brings about something good, then history can and should at least record that.
@zleap
Agreed, LibreSignal should be noted for achieving it.
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