@nekojanai I can't afford this right now, however I have just send a message to a group with a link to an article on the plan for facebook to make an instagramn for kids and suggested as we need to have conversations on privacy but also suggested we need to take back control with the use of mastodon etc and self host, so this is something I can promote, maybe DM me and I will see if I can at least spread the word (as you are also uk based it may help) I can promise anything though but we can try.
@nekojanai an i saw the .co.uk domain, Sorry where are you as being in the EU will mean you're covered by the GDPR, Which would tick those boxes, of course all the local groups use facebook,
@nekojanai Ah cool, lets see if any get back on my concern, I think a lot of facebook users are blind to what facebook are doing, at the same time they are committed to safeguarding, which really does not add up very well from my viewpoint.
@Starcake @nekojanai Indeed, but how do we get these groups off facebook.
It is like the fabrese fabric conditioner advert saying people are 'nose blind' to bad odours, in a way facebook users seem to be blind to the activities, probably aware but not wanting to see this is happening.
Then you must get celebrities to endorse it. Once the Kardashians are there along with the curious and the early adopters, the rubes will follow suit.
So:
1. $$$ - some kind of financial backing that allows for the development of the product and keeping it afloat until you can work out some sort of freemium model that doesn't require selling out users, or what's the point of moving away from FB?
2. When the service hits the market it must be widely available and already polished, and able to scale quickly and handle a large influx of users if it catches on so people aren't put off by their first experience with it. It doesn't necessarily need to be available worldwide off the bat, but should be available in major European and Asian languages.
3. There must be an Android and iOS app that isn't a hot turd and includes all of the features, because most people aren't going to use something if they can't also use it on their phone.
4. Get celebrity endorsements so it becomes cool to be there.
Basically, people are spoiled by the polished systems that are available and aren't going to inconvenience themselves with something substandard over an abstract concept like privacy. If someone can't figure out how to easily share a photo or photo album with their timeline, they aren't going to stick around.
Agreed on this, on a sort of related note it will be interesting (if not perhaps scary) as to what Donald trump will come up with.
I guess we also need some sort of safeguards to avoid live streaming of shootings
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56492541
Or at least discussions on this not just shootings but other serous incidents too.
Other side of live streaming
Child abuse: Warning of siblings being groomed online
But then we won't get cool remixes of shooting footage set to the DOOM soundtrack
@Starcake @nekojanai
@Starcake @nekojanai I don't think it is 'just' live streaming of shootings we need to worry about, what about rape, child rape especially etc.
While it is evidence,, as a member of a jury you could be influenced by that footage seen before, putting a trial at risk, meaning cases can be thrown out and quashed.
Members of a jury in teh UK are not even allowed to look up about the case, they need to be impartial and rely on evidence given to the court.
It will take a single case being used to appeal, and win that could really cause problems for future court cases.
Because right now it sounds like you want to make it illegal for any device to be able to record videos except for commercial cameras owned by film/tv/news/law enforcement.
I think we need safeguards in place, not simply on the tech platforms but elsewhere in society..
Banning live streaming won't stop it, as members of the fediverse we may have solutions that put everyone first not the profits and shares of big tech companies first.
Lets see if we can find a solution before the fediverse is forced out of existance because laws / rules / fees make what we have too unviable to do
If you owned and ran a peer tube instance would YOU want people streaming child abuse on YOUR platform?
Child abuse: Warning of siblings being groomed online
There's always going to be an element of whack-a-mole with any illegal activity on any platform.
You're trying to address a problem that has already been solved.
