20 years of trying to build a new nation. 20 years of providing arms and training. 20 years of building institutions.

end result: all for naught. NATO leaves and it falls apart in weeks.

Afghanistan is a hopeless country. the Soviets could have told us that.

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@thor The British tried and failed in the 1800s.

We are trying to mould a country into ouri idea of a society which won't work.

I have heard CIVIL society banded around here in the UK a country that in the space of a week saw 5 people shot dead by a person who despite having mental health issues was allowed to have his gun back, and in the same week several people shot in London in a drive by shooting.

The west has it's own problems with violence, discrimination (and yes this includes people with mental health issues denied help etc perhaps if we sorted that out first and led by example.

I don't think it Afghanistan is hopeless, it is hopeless by western standards, what ever they are

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