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@yogthos@mastodon.social @velartrill

I think the issue from this is that it could really fracture these huge corporations

With fedi person x is running an instance and person y is a user, if person x changes a policy person y can just lave and set up their own or join another.

If people working for big tech companies decide to leave due to the side / stance the leadership take it could cause them problems, as even recruitment becomes difficult.

@zleap @yogthos in general it is very difficult for americans to take political stances regarding work, even on the rare occasions they feel a strong desire to simply because they cannot risk short-term, let alone long-term, unemployment. even techies who make money hand over fists are affected by this depending on where they live, because CoL is so insanely high in SF that you genuinely need a 6-figure income just to survive comfortably there. wouldn't be as bad in Seattle, where some birdsite staff work, tho it's still outrageously expensive there and most would have to move to a much cheaper apartment away from downtown before they could think about quitting, if they're not lucky and/or rich enough to already own a house. keep in mind also that quitting voluntarily (or "voluntarily") means you don't get unemployment, which is a death sentence for many who don't have substantial savings, and if you piss off a big tech company they have the means to drastically limit your career options in the industry, because getting hired in the US almost always requires references, and that's not even getting into the possibility of being blackballed on the corporate grapevine, which the bigger companies will of course merrily do to anyone who crosses them.

also, those who are aware enough to recognize the coming crash are probably going to be even less likely to quit unless they have an alternative lined up already, because, yeah, once the power goes out, the skills they built their careers on will become worthless and they'll need to have enough money saved up to survive or escape to a stable country.

basically: don't expect more than a small handful of americans to selflessly protest anything the companies they work for do (unless they have a faction of the ruling class protecting and encouraging them, as was the case in the recent netflix debacle, and even then i don't think anyone went as far as quitting (?)), this is nearly as deadly as picketing the manor of a feudal lord who asserted the right to take your wife's virginity

@velartrill @yogthos@mastodon.social

Is this why there are a lot of problems with people trying to unionise at Amazon? Amazon do not't want to offer better working conditions

@zleap @yogthos yes, especially for the warehouse workers.

there's an additional factor in the case of the IT workers, who are paid more but abused just as badly -- techies have long had a weird allergy to unions. ancap/libertarian ideas became popular in "second-gen" techie circles (first-gen being people like stallman, dmr, etc -- they had more of a sixties counterculture ethos) and it seemingly convinced a lot of that crowd they unions are a scam, or they don't need them, or… something. no, it doesn't make any sense
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