@zem @fabsh With all due respect, our nation, our world, is not having an honest conversation about covid or vaccines. An honest conversation includes the input of ALL scientists and truthful disclosure of vaccine risks and an HONEST assessment of the risk of covid. Even if all of that were happening, people STILL get to choose what medical procedures they want to participate in. And that is all I will say on the subject. No matter what "research" you provide, that is my stance.
I agree, as some of the vaccine ingredients could cause allergic reactions for example, in which case you should be able to seek an alternative vaccine or knowing you can't be, find a way to take steps to protect your self and others close to you.
Goverment need to protect everyone esp those who are vulnerable
I am sure a lot of deaths are due to other health conditions (not in all cases)
I think off topic pushing for better open science, better representation in science is essential going forward.
Science is about asking questions, discussing, questioning and then seeking better answers surely.
@zleap To your point, why haven't we seen debates about covid and treatments? All we've seen is a very obvious effort to push a narrative and an even more obvious effort to silence dissent. If there were honest debates about ALL of it, if they were honest and said "we just don't know", which is the TRUTH,
you just might have more people willing to "risk". The same thing is done with "climate change". "Science" that can't be challenged isn't science it's a religion or ideology.
Some education systems are not very good it seems at encouraging debate you can sort of tell that by the fact people want to cancel historical figures due to for example a link to slavery, rather than looking at the whole picture of that person.
Uk has banned schools from promoting anti capitalist material, so we can't even have a debate or discuss why say the Fedi or free / open source software is a better model.
@zleap @zem @fabsh Well, showing someone respect by persuading them takes time, forcing people to do what you want is "easier". How interesting and engaging would it be if we had drs and scientists, in the same room, discussing and debating it all from Ivermectin to "vaccines", admitting that ALL of science and medicine is trial and error and doing it weekly all through the "pandemic". I mean if healthy people were really your goal, isn't that what you'd do?
@zem @zleap @fabsh I'm glad everyone is ok. I know several who have had covid before a "vaccine" was available, 3 are healthcare workers, all recovered without issue. I also know a few that were in the hospital. My point is, I think the jury is still out on how effective the vaccine is, if it makes any difference at all.🤷♀️
