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@humanisttrek

I am not a English liguistic expert but apparently "To boldly go" (or in this case "To proudly go") should be "To go Proudly" (To go boldly" if one was to be using correct English.

@zleap Perhaps not in this case, but I have found that too much focus on "correct English" is often rooted in racism (ie: 'aks you a question' or 'take a look at mines') where there are other English dialects that get whitewashed by "proper" aka wealthy white English.

@humanisttrek

Good point, I never know which or what to use. In some cases as different people will find fault either way. I think within reason if a message can be conveyed as intended, does it matter?

I tend to pick things up from TV, then read, hear elsewhere things like I mentioned, and think why does it matter? Without someone going in to great detail. However if I can convey that and be corrected and learn then that is great, what we are here for.

@humanisttrek

Oh yeah I really like the fact we have different accents and dialects anyway. I sometimes worry when I read about the government wanting everyone to speak the same way our regional indivdualty will be lost.

Lets clebrate the fact we have Liverpool (scouse), mancurian, geordie (Newcastle), Yorkshire, Cockney (East London) I like all thatr, granted some are harder to understand but that comes with time.

I like last of the summer wine, not just for the fact it is a good show, but the accents are great, one of the best lines is when Edie says to Glenda "Why are you shopping in Boutiques, you were brought up co-op" but the voice adds to that, very forthright and non compromising. Poor Glenda usually gets told "Drink your coffee".

@zleap At the end of the day though, as Star Trek occasionally investigates, language is often more about understanding each other than precision and rules. Do you know what is meant by "to boldly (proudly) go ... (where no one has gone before)"? Of course. Then grammatical precision shouldn't really matter so much.

@zleap @humanisttrek It's a persistent myth that the split infinitive, as this construction is called, is incorrect (in any variant of English). See, for example, merriam-webster.com/dictionary

@eribosot @humanisttrek

Thank you for this, really helpful. Firstly the fedi comes up trumps when it comes to intelligent and civilised responses to what is clearly a emotive subject.

So to conclude on this, I guess it does not matter if we use
'To boldly go', or 'To go boldly', however I would guess the latter then perhaps needs a comma making it To go, boldly (or does it).

I just know people go rather irked by the original English. However I think the use of To go boldly may have had more to do with Patrick Stuart being a shakesperian actor too,

I just try and say or write what makes sense. No one is perfect. If we strive for 100 percent perfection then I, certainly would never write anything.

@zleap @humanisttrek You're right, it doesn't matter. I agree with @humanisttrek: scientifically arbitrary notions of "correct" and "incorrect" are used even today to include or exclude groups of people.

Modern linguistics has moved away from prescriptivism (telling people what is "correct" English) and toward descriptivism (figuring out how people actually use English -in its many variants).

In the end, the only objective measure of "correctness" of language is how well it conveys meaning.

@eribosot @humanisttrek

That makes far more sense to me. But is an interesting area to look at.

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