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Can anyone suggest a candidate other than Biden or Trump that look fairly moderate and a good choice? I have ruled out all third-party, all alternative democrats, and of course Trump... This leaves me thinking maybe one of the republican candidates are worth voting for but so far every one of those I checked out are pretty horrific too...
Is there even one candidate that is remotely a reasonable and moderate choice?
@freemo There was this "sanders" that sounded halfway reasonable. What happened to him?
@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo He said "moderate"
@LouisIngenthron @freemo Oh, survival of the human race is not an option. Noted.
@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Have you *seen* how humans behave?
No, I think a prerequisite to survival is, y'know, "wanting to survive" and it seems like a majority of our species is ambivalent to that at best.
@LouisIngenthron @freemo Well, this "sanders" person seems to try. I cannot claim such, i am complacant in our demise. Supportive, even. It is ok if there are no more humans.
@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo That's not an unreasonable position to be in.
As for trying, the Crusaders were trying to make the world a better place by spreading the word of Christ; how well did that work out?
Trying is only half the battle. *How* you try is equally as important, and that's where the issues with Sanders arise.
@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Ah, I see @freemo beat me to it.
@LouisIngenthron @freemo Afaik the dems pushed him out illegally?
@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Not to my knowledge. He just lost the primary, like he always does.
More complicated than that... He won the primaries one year in terms of direct votes.. but despite him winning the "normal" vote the superdelegates override this and he was denied the primary anyway.
Its kind of ironic cause people yell and scream about Trump being elected despite not winning the popular vote when they do this regularly within their own party.
@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven Well, yeah, because a party's inner workings don't have to be democratic. Most regular folks don't participate in them anyway, so it's already skewed towards political insiders. That seems more reasonable to me than nonsense like the electoral college for the actual vote.
There is no legal requirement a party need be democratic, no.. but if they elect not to be they deserve ridicule and a lack of support.
@freemo @LouisIngenthron At least that much is clear. And we can all rest easy: the others don't get the easy life either. We all suffer. Ain't that nice.
I want everyone to have the easiest life possible... the problem is a lot of people dont know how to achieve that and the way they think they can accomplish that often does the opposite.
@freemo @LouisIngenthron Yeah, eating the rich might pose some ethical problems to normal folks.
Yup, they would be quite surprised after they destroy the biggest wealth producers in society and trigger massive starvation and death for everyone... good intentions dont get you very far, least of all when you do the exact opposite of whats best for society.
That isnt to say that there arent issues to address with the rich, there are, but if your going to eliminate rich people all together, you might as well just cover yourself in honey and go hug a bear, your chance of coming out of it with something positive to show would be much higher.
@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven Some of us prefer businesses that produce actual value, like cheeseburgers or houses, instead of just "wealth".
The people who actually create those things should be the wealthy in a just society, not the people who were born to it.
Cheese burgers and houses **are** wealth... Based on your wording you are confusing "wealth" (things that have utility and value) and money..
If you have profit alone, then you just are moving money around.. you arent generating wealth (or money)... in order to generate wealth you must increase the overall number of things in society with utility... So yes what i said already was in line with what your saying, you just are using wealth in the way of "collecting wealth" which is not the same as "generating wealth".
> The people who actually create those things should be the wealthy in a just society, not the people who were born to it.
Agreed, like the people who sacraficed decades to create the idea, get funding, investing in the building, getting the money to pay people to do the labour, etc... yes the owners who risk everything and actually create the wealth are the people who should be wealthy.
@freemo @LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven A fully legalized drug trade would generate wealth and improve the standard of living, even for those with problems.
When compared to Smart Device manufacturers and their corruption of government. A legal drug trade is morally superior.
A drug trade doesnt create wealth usually.. I mean if i sell heroin, heroin itself doesnt really have utility (as it only harms people)... and ultimately leads people to behave in ways that are wealth destroying... so no... that wouldnt generate wealth, it would be one of the main examples of destroying wealth.
@freemo @LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven You would be creating wealth, job security, infrastructure and capital to reinvest in the community. I don't see the problem with people dying as those people are removed from the community and can no longer be role models. The problem is government funding shadow wars with the proceeds and ruining lives with a system they set up.
It reminds me of a song.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pDuBkUzNaUk
@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @LouisIngenthron It sounds like politics. It's always more disappointing than one would think it could be.
Marx and Ingles were pretty clear about seizing the means of production. This is real wealth. It doesn't matter if it's a drug distribution network, trained workers or even the improved standard of living. These all build up like coral reefs to form an ecosystem where more life can arise.
@AmpBenzScientist @freemo @LouisIngenthron Oh, the "create wealth" is meaningless. With distribution being as it is, anyway.
We had this in another thread, and to be honest, i'm a bit tired to rehash it any further. As long as nothing actually new pops up, i'm out.