Uvalde: AR-15
Buffalo: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Nashville: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Colorado Springs: AR-15
Poway synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15
Louisville: AR-15
@tristansnell and zero instances in the country in history where anyone has used an AR-15 to successfully gunned down a pickpocket or prevented the police from brutalizing and killing a Black man in their custody. It would seem the AR-15 has a lot of deaths tallied up on its bedpost, but none of them are for any good or patriotic purpose.
@muzikant You don't really think that's true, right? AR-15s are used for defense of self or others all the time. Those examples just aren't as hyped by the media.
@muzikant Literally the first result on google details ten such examples:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/defensive-ar-15-uses/#:~:text=Mary%2C%20Florida%2C%20a%20group%20of,rounds%20before%20the%20threat%20ceased.
@LouisIngenthron all of those were people at home. And any gun would have had the same result.
@muzikant According to this study, only about half of defensive incidents with a gun occur on one's own property. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4109494
And your "any gun" argument works in the opposite direction too. The fact that "any gun" would work in an AR-15's place makes it that much more silly of an idea to ban AR-15s specifically.
@LouisIngenthron at least one of your citations was a man who just showed the gun to the perpetrator.
But not “any gun” can mow through a crowd or devastate children like an AR-15.
@LouisIngenthron “A gunshot wound is potentially fatal no matter what kind of ammunition is used. But Cynthia Bir showed us the difference in an AR-15 round against gelatin targets in her ballistics lab at the University of Southern California.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-mass-shootings-60-minutes-2022-05-29/
"Organs aren't just going to tear or have bruises on them, they're going to be, parts of them are going to be destroyed."
@muzikant Again, first google result (and personal experience).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet
Specifically, read the Mechanism section for a description of the destructive potential of the mushrooming effect.
@LouisIngenthron you don’t need to condescend, when I ask you to cite your source I want to know what YOU use to back up YOUR claims.
The Wikipedia article doesn’t compare it to AR-15s. Do you have a source that does?
@muzikant I use personal experience to back up my claims. I've shot both at soft tissue targets (in my case, melons).
Both bullets cause shock waves that balloon out and cause massive damage. What more comparison do you need?
More importantly, the technique of hollowing out a round's point can be used on any caliber, so there's no fixed point of comparison to begin with. Even AR-15 rounds can be purchased with hollow points, and non-AR-15 rounds can have higher powder loads to go the speed the AR rounds go and do damage the same way they do (although this usually requires modifications to the weapon's receiver to handle the increased pressure involved). Several calibers do it by default.
Meanwhile, the AK-47 is more reliable, has a bigger magazine capacity, is cheaper because Russia made tons of them during the cold war and now they're available surplus, and uses bigger bullets that are typically made out of steel, which can penetrate through multiple walls... and it's even the quintessential movie bad guy gun. Yet people are concerned about AR-15s. 
@LouisIngenthron sorry but personal anecdotes aren’t proof that your claims are fact. They may help support it, but they aren’t how conclusions are drawn. That’s why scientists don’t just do one experiment and call it good.
AR-15s continue to be used by people who want to decimate as many bodies as they can as fast as possible. They are dedicated to it and do their research and they keep coming up with the same, easy to purchase and walk around in public with, AR-15 as a solution. -
@LouisIngenthron - The rapid fire, devastating exit wounds, and maybe the comfort of the grip, I don’t know. It all suits them and their desires to blow people away beyond recognition. Quickly.
@muzikant Hundreds, if not thousands, of legal gun models match that criteria. They just don't look as scary as the AR-15.
@LouisIngenthron Which is why guns should be regulated much more than they are and gun companies who hit the R&D department after each Ms shooting to see if they can make their product even dealer and more efficient at spreading humans across the pavement, should be able to be sued for negligence in marketing and design.
@undefined @muzikant Hard to do that when the main customer urging them to do so is the US government.
@LouisIngenthron and can you cite your source for this claim?
@muzikant Who do you think ordered the design of the AR-15 in the first place?
Or the next-gen armor-penetrating rifle that's currently in development to replace it?
@LouisIngenthron You mean for the Vietnam war?
Sounds like something that shouldn’t be then also available to citizens to legally carry into a playground in the afternoon without consequences or people even being allowed to be upset or show that they are afraid.
@muzikant Yes, and many gun owners in America, myself included, agree with you on that. Open-carry is a divisive topic, even among gun owners.
@LouisIngenthron Unless these gun owners are writing their legislatures, governors, the GOP, and the NRA expressing it to them, it really doesn’t amount to much, in my opinion.
@muzikant You may also be surprised how many of us gun owners are registered democrats who hate the NRA.
@LouisIngenthron If it’s a large number you all might do better to join and agitate got change than to sit in the sidelines while it does whatever the extremest porker want.
Or start a competing organization that truly focuses on safety, sportsmanship, and reasonable self defense, as well as advocating for keeping at least some guns at home or at the firing range.
@muzikant Oh, there are many competing organizations. A couple dozen probably. Some more liberal, others even more extreme than the NRA. None have really gotten enough traction yet, though (probably because they don't have the financial backing of the gun industry like the NRA does).
@muzikant But also, the NRA does things to really lock in its stranglehold on the culture.
For example, it's almost impossible to get any regular property insurance company to insure a gun range.
But the NRA will do it, and for a reasonable price even... if every member of the range is a member of the NRA and pays their dues.
@muzikant Lol, it's not just personal experience. It's literally the selling point of the round.
And those people aren't doing "research", unless you count watching Rambo movies and watching media coverage of prior incidents where the shooters' names and photos are up for the whole world to see. They're picking what looks scary or cool because they've seen them in movies and on TV and are imitating.
If they were doing research, they would choose guns specific to their situation or plan, which would not all be the same one.
@LouisIngenthron @muzikant how about just ban assault weapons?
@0xFF Define the term first, please; then I can opine on the proposal.
@LouisIngenthron cite your source to verify this claim.