Part of why the Russia stans annoy me is because either they’re sticking their head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge Russian brutality, or they’re so ghoulish that they actually find joy in this kind of thing.
Russia is destroying energy infrastructure because it assumes Ukraine can’t do the same. Imagine if Ukraine were given the weapons to strike Russian energy infrastructure and did so. Russia would, as it always does, play the victim and pretend that having their own behavior thrown back in their face is unfair. They’re just so fucking slimy.
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@Hyolobrika @dave i don't quite see why there's any difference who sends whom to die in a ditch, but i might just be too dense.
@Hyolobrika @dave it's not like they are fighting for some idealistic goal like "world communism" or whatever. i could understand if one supports that. it's really just which set of oligarchs will bleed out the countries resources.
@Hyolobrika @dave the "anti-imperialism" the west has done for the better part of the last centuries?
Would the bombing of Ukrainian energy stop if the Russian public found out about it?
@dave
you bomb infrastructure if you want to win a war, that's how it was always done.
it doesn't matter if the public knows, they will not care, just like they didn't with abu ghraib or whatever. nothing will change even if people find out. they don't care or find reasons why they still are on the right side.
you bomb infrastructure if you want to win a war
So you agree that Russia would be unreasonable if they retaliated after having their energy infrastructure bombed? Destroying Moscow’s infrastructure is fair game?
@dave
was bombing dresden ok?
was nuking hiroshima & nagasaki ok?
was blowing up confederate railroads ok?
this fixiation on "rules of war" is eliding me. war is done for winning, not for playing by the book. regardless of which side. that's what makes it so evil.
I will take that as a yes. Or else as an admission that you don’t understand what escalation is.
it doesn’t matter if the public knows, they will not care, just like they didn’t with abu ghraib or whatever.
Except…the public did care. And the soldiers involved were sent to prison. This was my entire point. You presented photos of this scandal like they were equivalent to Russia bombing Ukraine’s energy infrastructure, apparently not understanding that the Russian public is aware of and (at least tacitly) approves of these bombings.
@dave you either are at war with someone or you aren't.
the rooks got send to prison, oh my, best cleptocracy i can think of! the "interventions" continued for years after that. why aren't the people allowing these "advanced interrogation techniques" in prison? no, the people who blew the whistle were declared traitors. the people who decided are playing golf right now.
so, in your opinion the total degradation of human beings for shit and giggles isn't more evil or at least as evil as bombing energy infrastructure and even saying you will do so before so civilians have a chance to leave (wait, zelensky draftey them, they can't leave!!!1)?
and over here you get 8 years in prison for a post about war. yes, just for calling the war "war". this is totalitarian reality, not your rose glasses. and all oppositioners are murdered. and 80% of people make less than $200 per month that is not enough even for food. wanna taste such reality? I don't think so.
putler destroyed much more in Russia than in Ukraine. he destroyed Russia for 20 years. the results are disastrous. he destroyed nearly everything: economics, industry, agriculture, medicine, science, education. nothing's left. so people hate that damn usurper and fascist with his war.
@iron_bug @bonifartius @dave @Hyolobrika
Destroyed Russia for the last 20 years?
Like in what terms? Median income? GMO free food? Repatriating/forming new industry?
We have now one side which produces Aluminium, fertilizer and heating oil and another which soon freezes. As told by each side's government.
Essen > Moral
