I'm being told on Twitter that vaccines are safe, they are very angry with me, not joking:
https://twitter.com/MaggieEThornton/status/1380652509405003776

@Coyote you’re doing good work🤣 I’d join you but I’m permanently suspended from Twitter. Every time I open the app there is this big banner that says “Welcome Back” but I can’t tweet and they zero’d out my followers and followed accounts.

@madmike

It's just confronting fools with their own stupidity. When both had "PhD" next to their names, and can't support a single scientific claim, it mostly says our educational system is garbage. But we all knew that... 😂

@Coyote

Probably would help if next time you dont lead in with that hydrochloride stupidity. Yea there are legitimate concerns with the vaccines as they were rushed past the usual safety checks. But your other comments destroyed your credibility.

@madmike

@freemo @Coyote HCQ works and is safe and many many deaths would have been prevented if it were more widely used. There have been epidemiologists and virologists saying as much. They’ve been kicked off of Twitter and YouTube.

@madmike @freemo @Coyote Yes you are right #hcqworks don't listen to scummo he is corrupt academic morally defunct, with god complex, works for government pathological liar as caught many times, just a human garbage that will pay at the end of scamdemic. Covid19 doesn't exist. Virus doesn't exist.
And if scummo says otherwise he can collect free money here samueleckert.net/isolat-truth- he won't because he is simply a liar.

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@akeno

Scummo could have all the evidence in the world and not be able to collect. Anyone who pulls the conspiracy theory bullshit that covid doesnt exist and hasnt been proven to exist doesnt know the first thing about the science of any of it.

@madmike @Coyote

@freemo @akeno @madmike

I know it exists, I've had it, still not breathing right. Got it last March, wish I would have got it now, when they know a bit more.

What's real though is, it's a rather small blip, flu sized so far, and I suspect more life-long damage than a typical flu. But still, it's no where near the scale they say it is, and until I see this data from our own country, I'm going to believe this scale is probably a reasonable representation:
https://twitter.com/VoidSurf1/status/1320269542174720000

@akeno

Complete uneducated nonsense... for starters "isolated" doesnt mean jack shit because if you were to truely isolate the virus, as in all you have the virus and no plasma, or cell organels or anythjing else, the virus would fall apart into dust.

What we can do, and have done, is prove the virus is there, prove its exact genetic sequence, and even literally seen it under a microscope. We have also been able to prove the dna and the protein are what we were looking at by chromotographic and other techniques..

For all practical purposes it has been isolated, it just so happens there are a bunch of people out there who dont know the first clue about chemistry or biology who simply cant understand that and claim otherwise.

@Coyote @madmike

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@akeno

Linking to other wrong stupid people wont make you right, sorry.

@Coyote @madmike

@akeno

By the way notice the author of the paper you linked, Robert O Young who declares himself a doctor and PhD... he isnt a doctor, he isnt a PhD, he literally dropped out of the only accredited university he went to, he only got in on a tennis scholarship, and to add insult to injury is not only convicted of fraud but has espoused a ton of other completely idiotic Ideas.

Here is the wikipedia article on him along with a quote:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O

"Young's website states he attended the University of Utah on a tennis scholarship and studied biology and business in the early 1970s. He did not graduate.[9] He then performed missionary work for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for two years in London. Young, who is not a medical doctor, has received doctorates for naturopathy and nutrition from Clayton College of Natural Health (formerly American College of Holistic Nutrition), a defunct correspondence school which was not accredited by any agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.[10][11][1] The prosecution at his 2016 trial said his doctorate was purchased from a "diploma mill",[12] and it was pointed out that he had gone from a bachelor's to a doctor's degree in eight months.[9]"

@Coyote @madmike

@freemo @Coyote @madmike You are not a Dr. you are a fraud.
When you can't ad lapidem you ad hominem.

Rap sheet of your scientologists who claim covid19 is real pandemic and make trillions on it is longer than toilet paper but you don't mind that. because rich can buy judges to keep their eugenic business going.

That's not on your corruptpedia.

prepareforchange.net/2021/01/2

thefreethoughtproject.com/comp

@akeno

LOLOLOLOL

You: "Here listen to this guy who got a PhD in 8 months from a guy in a trench coat in a back ally talk about how viruses arent real".

Me: "That dude isnt a Phd"

You: "Barghblahdf youa re a fraud, a Scientologist, you dont know what your talking about. How dare you insult a real doctor who knew what he was talking about"...

LOL ok there buddy. you lost the high ground the second you tried to sell a college drop out who only got in on a scholarship playing tennis as a reliable source in the first place. Sorry but your opinion of me has 0 value.

@Coyote @madmike

@freemo @akeno @madmike Coyotes live in packs, outdoors, in the wild, no walls to hang degrees... just handcuffs of debt we are reminded of by the government at very annoying intervals.
@freemo @akeno @madmike

BTW, want to talk about expensive pieces of paper that are both highly (libral arts) over valued, and highly (hard science) under valued... With insane finance schemes supporting it, government funded paywall protected "results" they cherry pick for media coverage, and total exploitation of reasonable thinking and rational intellectual pursuits being corrupted to the core, for ... paper? That is symbolized with Letters, PhD, JD, MD, DO, DDS, And the ever so lovely "honorary" PhD media darlings of zero intellectual worth to society as a whole and ...

I fear scam crypto a lot less than the scam shit they have been doing with the educational system in this country. Put logic, and basic math back in to all the time slots they fill with SJW shit starting young, let them figure out politics later.

Non Sequiter! Non Sequiter! Fuck everyone!

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@Coyote
I have a new name for BA BS, etc. "Certificates of superivised learning".
Basically all they mean is that a person read books and may have done hands on exercise in a supervised setting for a number of years.

That is really all they are as far as I can tell.

Someone tried to say they were automatically correct because they had such a certificate, I mentioned that is a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority.

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike

@Andrii

No one should assume someone is automatically correct due to letters on their name.. however if those letters come from an accredited university, and one person has them and another doesnt, and both sides assert some fact without actually teaching you what you need to know to prove that fact (perhaps because it is too complicated in the time given).. youd be a fool not to go with the person who has been trained all else being equal.

With that said if someone has some letters after their name and has accomplished nothing past university, and someone else has no letters after their name and has published 20 ground breaking papers on the topic that have been peer reviewed and shown to be correct as well as novel, then by all means you should be trusting the guy with no letters.

In the end when it comes to decided who is a more reliable source on any topic it isnt about the letters on their name but rather how much they have accomplished in their respective field that has been proven to be right by other experts and which demonstrates their abilities.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote

@freemo @Andrii @10grans @akeno @madmike

"how much they have accomplished in their respective field"

I don't know. Ph.D.s in hard sciences often accomplish little and gain wide acceptance for it (27th author on the RIGHT 3 papers from the right University).

While on the other hand, some MS Engineers I've met will blow your mind in a casual conversation, but can't really ever show much other than a "lesser" degree, and a lot of "confidential" work in employment history.

So, I don't put as much weight in the letters as I do the words and the structure of thought someone wields in conversation.

@Coyote

It depends, PhDs accomplish a hell of a lot in theory, they just suck at building the results you'd see.

I code a lot of machine learning stuff.. a HUGE portion of stuff ive implemented that has been extremely powerful was just me taking a PhD paper with some shitty code but a brilliant idea and turning it into a proper library.

Anyone who straddles the line between PhD and engineer and gets the computer science journals like ASIST or ACM will tell you its a constant stream of new, novel and useful (though often specialized) Ideas... yea 75% of it might be stupid stuff that is just interesting, but the other 25% has value.

I get the feeling you either read really shitty journals or dont really read specific journals at all (and just come across random articles that are the exception more than a the rule)... I urge you to go out, get a subscription to a well respected high quality journal in a field you can understand, and actually go through each months or quarters issue and one by one check out the papers.. they tend to all have a lot of value.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

"I get the feeling you either read really shitty journals or don't really read specific journals at all"

Not a week goes by that I don't tell my wife "I should just get an adjunct job, just for access to journals."

You are exactly right, I just, had a series of misfortune events, and presently can't even get bandwidth beyond 600kbs, and behind on almost every bill.

There's never been a time in my life I wanted to see the other side of the paywall so much.

@Coyote

Yea that explain it.. keep in mind anyone can start a journal and do peer review, not every journal does **good** peer review or quality work... there are junk journals and then there are good journals.. this is why you cant just blindly go "this is peer reviewed therefore its fact". you kinda need to know the quality of the journal it comes from as well as what other studies on the same subject say, and even look at how old a paper is.

But yea.. get access to a journal. you dont need an expensive subscription either.. there are relatively cheap subscriptions if all you want is a single specific journal in digital format. If you get a good journal I think you will appreciate the value they produce.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

"if all you want is a single specific journal"

Nope... Datamining plans long term, need lots. LOL

@Coyote

There are subscriptions to larger collections of journals. They just tend to be a bit more pricey... for that though a public library is your best bet.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

"I get the feeling you either read really shitty journals or don't really read specific journals at all"

OMG yes. If I had bandwidth and access to the paywalled content, not only would my "day" job be going 100% better, my fedi posts would probably cut down to like 4-5 a day, with something actually fucking useful, not jokes to start a conversation.

@Coyote

I hear ya.. two suggestions.

1) pick just a single high quality journal and pay for the subscription. Some journals arent that expensive 100$ for a whole year or something.

2) go to a library, a good library, especially one at a university, will give you free access to many journal databases.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

"2) go to a library, a good library, especially one at a university, will give you free access to many journal databases."

Aaron Swartz. Again. Yes though, I do on occasion, and you don't even have to go in, just get on a campus wifi if you've properly registered. And everyone should do it if they have the opportunity, IMHO.

I'm also facing a broken down 70's ford pickup situation, but yes, that is also within "the plan."

@Coyote

Aaron Swartz got in trouble beause he mass downloaded with the intent to redistribute.. If you do data analysis but dont mass download, or if you download only things you intend to read then you should be good.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

@Moon

Scihub is good, though far from complete and legality is questionable for sure.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote @Andrii

@Coyote, you tipped 0.01 :10grans: to @Moon and have 0.33109566667 remaining.

@Moon

Neither do I.. unfortunately I do care about getting shot by a cop who cares about legality :)

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote @Andrii

@freemo @Moon @10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

I just want a geographic tribe that can agree on some basic morality. The rest, don't give a fuck...
@freemo
Well you can just use my religious exemption. There is no copyright in the soul world. Copyright is just to keep down the proles.


@Moon @10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote

@Andrii

As much as I would love to use the religious exemption excuse in the end I doubt it will make much of a difference as to whether i wind up in jail or worse.

Religious exemptions are actually not as easy to argue in court as just stating it as a religious beleif. It must actually be held by an organized religion and practiced by a large group of people as doctrine (there is a specific legal test for it)... So just believing in it religiously as a personal religious decision or interpretation wont mean squat to the courts.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@freemo
Yeah I donno where you at man. I Canada our Human Rights are like iron clad, free speech includes like everything as long as you do it on your private property. Our constitution is founded on the supremacy of God. There is no separation of church and state, and we have freedom of religion.

So it's like pretty safe to have faith here.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote
@Andrii @freemo @10grans @Moon @akeno @madmike

"Canada our Human Rights are like iron clad"

Didn't I see a preacher yell Nazi and have his whole church building locked up in fencing to prevent him from speaking to his congregation not long ago, in Canada, like, days ago?
@Coyote
Nah Pastor Artur Pawlowski is doing fine.The Calgary police practically issued an apology for being there.

It is Pastor Coates who has his church blocked off. I have not been able to contact him we may have a vibrational mismatch.

Anyways the are doing the church service outside the fence tommorrow it's warm enough anyway.



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@Andrii

Yea I cant speak to canada. But in america we do have the religious freedoms act where religious beliefs can not get you in legal trouble. We just strictly define religious beleifs as needing to be part of an organized religion and not personal beliefs.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@freemo
Ah yeah that's pretty crappy for you then. In Canada religious beliefs can be completely personal, and don't need any organization or anything.

Like for example Jesus, and basically any mystic of any tradition does not have an organizational affiliation cause our higher-up is God, so I guess America doesn't want Jesus, I get ya. 🤷‍


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@freemo
Actually arguments have nothing to do with letters or how much the person speaking them has accomplished.

As long as the argument is sound, and inline with the evidence, then it is a winner. Regardless of who is speaking it.
@10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote

@Andrii

In principle yes, in practice no.

A great many discussions are about topics that most of the contituents are not educated enough to judge the facts directly themselves. COVID is a great example of that, for many arguments it would take years of study and knwoledge to be armed with enough expiernce to even be able to judge the argument at all.

So while I agree all that matters is the quality of the argument, that can only be evaluated in the first place by someone who is knowledgable, and much of that that wont be you. Therefore if you do not have the training to make an educated judgement then your only next recourse is to weight the arguments by the experience of those making it, at least in part.

@10grans @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@freemo
I think you may be hard pressed to find a person more intelligent or knowledgable than myself. If you can I would certainly like to talk to them.

As my IQ is over 130, I'm smarter than over 7 billion humans on this planet.

And generally have more practical and spiritual knowledge than the few hundred million who have higher IQ's than myself.


@10grans @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@Coyote

I mean, science and peer review is way more reliable than just winging it.. but like everything it wont be perfect and you absolutely need to apply judgement and not just take everyting blindly... Its important to understand how strongly a papers conclusion is shown, what biases the author has, and how many other studies done in different ways show similar results. From that you form a picture.

The problem is sometimes with just a fraudulent paper but thats the exception far more than it is the rule. More often its simply that a paper shows weak but supporting evidence for something, doesnt make any false claims and even clearly points out how weak the evidence is, but because the media doesnt know the first thing about reading or understanding science, and neither does the general public, you get some bullshit interpretation of the paper sounding like settled science on an issue that is still very much still being researched.

@10grans @akeno @madmike

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike

Let us all see ALL of the bullshit behind the paywalls.

We will teach each other how to sort out what's real, together, I believe in that, that is my dream.

#coyotequotes
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@Coyote

If you ever want to see a paper that is behind a paywall and you dont wish to get a subscription just email the author. 98% of the time they will happily send you a free copy of the paper.

@10grans @akeno @madmike

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike

Yes, very true, I've done that myself for people when I have had requests, as do most I know, and a drawer full of hard copy reprints...

However, it does not facilitate any sort of bulk research required to reach a reasoned conclusion on an issue in a reasonable amount of time, IMHO.
@Coyote
Yeah pretty much any paper you want can get for free from sci-hub the address changes every so often due to censorship but can find current one on duckduckgo.com by searching for sci-hub

Currently it is https://sci-hub.st/
@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike
@Andrii @10grans @akeno @freemo @madmike

I'm more of a shadow, I like to look at the research that's not so popular, which doesn't get to sci-hub....

(queue Lamont Cranston laugh)
@Coyote
Well personally I would recommend reading books rather than articles for a more broad overview can get from zlibrary currently at b-OK.cc

I listen to books at 450wpm+ using text to speech on my phone. So can listen while doing the dishes or gardening, I.e. instead of music.
@10grans @akeno @freemo @madmike
@Andrii

>450wpm

That chipmunk voice would drive me nuts. But I'm also in the podcast/audiobook master race

@Coyote @10grans @akeno @freemo @madmike
@NEETzsche
It's not a chipmunk voice though, espeak uses formants so it is a neutral robot voice, easy to listen at high speed cause it is very predictable, no changes in pitch or tone, no pauses speeding up or slowing down.

In terms of podcasts and such usually highest I can listen to them is at 3.5x
@10grans @Coyote @akeno @freemo @madmike
@Andrii @10grans @NEETzsche @akeno @freemo @madmike

Why the F to people still use SourceForge over like just git? I mean, if your project don't got a website, use git at least so people can see what's going on? (tangenting, hard right, probably is a website, keep googling and shut up)
@Coyote
Espeak is not supported cause the creator disappeared the continuation is espeak-ng I have a tutorial also one sec.
@10grans @NEETzsche @akeno @freemo @madmike

@Andrii

Books are for teaching you what we know, articles are for showing why we know it.

@10grans @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@freemo @Andrii @10grans @madmike @akeno

"Books are for teaching you what we know, articles are for showing why we know it."

Counterpoint. Letters to a Prince.

>peer review is way more reliable than just winging it >Incorrect. Peer reviewed study: >There are many peer reviewed studies showing that at this point.

When people say things like this: ^ I say things like this: V

>Linking to other wrong stupid people wont make you right, sorry. >this is why you cant just blindly go “this is peer reviewed therefore its fact”

But you already said the bottom statements for me. So why are you saying the top statements? You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot claim that “peer review” is criterion for belief in one breath and then reject it as a criterion in the next breath.

Who judges what is “good peer review” and “bad peer review”? Who judges what is “wrong stupid peers” and “correct smart peers”? Your answer cannot be “peers” because “peers” are the question.

Truth is not a vote. Consensus is not science. Slapping the prefix “Science” in front of “Scientific Consensus” has about as much meaning as slapping the prefix “Science” in front of “Scientology”. You claim to distrust the media but then act like a scientist shoved in front of a TV camera signing publishing deals is not of the media, is not part of that conflict of interest. You claim to distrust business but then act like a scientist competing for tenure and selling experiments for funding grants is not of business, is not part of that conflict of interest. A man does not cease to be man when he puts on a white lab coat. A “scientist” has no more divine connection to truth than any other man.


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