@KellyS @freemo @ThatDude There is no way to design a society or legal system that isn't oppressive to *someone*. Libertarians have bought into the lie that you can, but you can't. To the extent that libertarianism succeeds, it is simply just hollowing out what keeps a society together and creating a power vacuum for a new, more dominant belief/value system.
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I disagree, libertarianism isnt about a perfect society where everyone gets to do whatever the hell they want. It is about reaching the maximum level of personal freedom possible.
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@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude whatever the hell they want, huh? Like put on drag queen shows for children? Like putting pre-teens on testosterone, sterilizing them, and surgically disfiguring their genitalia? That is very liberating to some people, and they're letting us all know that on a daily basis. Is that the level of personal freedom that will elevate society?
I am ok with a pre-teen having liberty and freedom over their own body, though its a complicated issue and they should be advised about it.. so yea that part sounds ok. Reassignment surgery on the genitals though isnt until their older since there isnt the same need as with hormones to start that early (hormones are less likely to work if started after puberty).
So yes I'd say complete say over what you do and put into your own body is very liberating, and yes I support that, and I would support it at any age so long as the person is informed and aware of their choices.
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@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude My goodness...they're children. They're brains aren't fully formed. There is tremendous evidence of social contagion driving a large amount of teens identifying as "trans". Children are not in a position to make life altering decisions about halting their maturation or gender reassignment. I beg of you to read Abigail Shrier's book and reconsider.
Most adults I talk to dont have fully formed brains either, I wouldnt stop them from making choices about their own bodies either.
The problem is they have to make a life altering decision either way. Not taking hormone therapy can be just as devastating to their future and life as taking it. So either way a decision needs to be made, and either one, if incorrect, can destroy their lives. So they, along with their parent, will have to make that decision, and forcing either one on them is not going to help things.
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@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude the data say otherwise about hormone therapy but the larger point I am making is that we're not just talking about freedom for a teen. We're also talking about a regime that is firing any doctor who doesn't practice positive affirmation. We're also talking about squashing parents rights. We're also talking about compelled speech for pronouns. While some seek a type of freedom they necessarily oppress others to gain it.
No the data does not claim that **everyone** who gets hormone therapy pre-teen is worse off. At best we can show that its hit or miss, it can do harm, it can do good and there are cases of each. Thats what making your own decisions means, knowing the risks and being able to weigh them and ultimately take those risks.
Some of those things im ok with.. I dont think a parent should have a right over a child's body more so than the child themself. Bodily autonomy is sacred and as long as the child is old enough to discuss and understand the situation, and shows the proper mental maturity then no parent should have any right to overrule a child's decision about their own bodies. I know my opinion is unpopular, but I do feel strongly about it.
As for a doctors autonomy, thats a bit different. A doctor has a right to refuse anyone treatment they want for any reason, a patient has a right to find a doctor that offers said treatment. Me personally I would abolish all doctors and make all medications over the counter and eliminate the whole problem.
Compelled speech for pronouns is also something I wouldnt support. You can call someone whatever the hell you want, you have freedom of speech. But if you are intentionally not using a persons he/she choice of pronouns then you are complete scum and should be shunned by society, but it should still be your right. You have the right to be a horrible human being if you wish.
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@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude so, at this point, psychologists are being threatened with loss of license and job if they do not positively affirm. They are no longer allowed to offer other treatment options. Libertarian thinking is not ruling the day in the field of psychology, it would seem. The left is running the table and we will all be forced to comply.
Ok so the only valid point you've made as far as I can tell is that if psychiatrists are being threatened then that should stop... ok, next.
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