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@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper

And when someone staps someone or beats them with a bat do we cry about how bats are legal... Yes there is a problem, but absurd solutions like making guns illegal is obviously not the answer.

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@freemo @stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper
Hmm, there is a disconnect: it was stated that guns should be regulated, with strict background checks. Your reply talks of "making guns illegal".

Did you reply to the wrong toot here or do you think background checks are a bad thing? If so, do you wish for people with known agression problems (psychological disorders or former history of violent crimes) to be able to have guns?

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@admitsWrongIfProven

I dont think you can see the toot i replied to, the person blocked me.

I am not against background checks in their current form, which is thurough and complete.

The one issue with the current setup is loopholes at gun shows. But that doesnt appear to be a huge source of actual problems so yra im for background checks as they exist today.
@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper

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@freemo @stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper
You might want to state that, the toot history i read showed you ignoring the distinction between banning and background checks... it changes the meaning completely.

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@admitsWrongIfProven

No i was quite clear i was talking about a specific type of commonly proposed restriction, banning.

@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper

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@freemo And who you responded to was quite clear that background checks matter.

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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo we already have background checks... Just not for private sale. They have straw purchase laws that making gifting a weapon a pain too. But some states do allow private sale which doesn't need to go through federal background checks. It's not a loophole. It's common sense. If I have a firearm I dont use and a friend or family member interested in buying it from me there is no need to have government involved adding their taxes and fees.
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

I mean i dont mind private sales. But yea they should be taxed and follow regulation ideally.

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@freemo @thatguyoverthere
Well for the topic at hand, it would not exactly matter if a sale is public or private - just that background checks are performed.
Are private sellers liable for what is done with their gun until background checks are performed?
Sell to a loonie, get imprisoned for their murder, right?

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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo some states require a "transfer" which involves a background check. Some respect privacy.
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

Public gu sales require a paper trail be kept. This is a bigger issue for me than just the background check

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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven yeah agreed. I was just saying that some states do require a background check although it's ancillary to the transfer which is the paper trail. I think I conflate the background check with the transfer in my head though because you can't have one without the other.
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

Yea but in private sales you dont have to transfer ownership at the point of sale. Sometimes you dont have to record it at all

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@freemo @thatguyoverthere Sounds perfect, if the goal is to have a gun as a someone with rage control issues.

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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo a person with rage control issues and no criminal record can still likely go buy a gun. Or do you think we aught to have a psych eval every time we want a new gun? That's pretty crazy if so considering the us has a history of using mental health against people in exploitative ways. Imagine a world where you need a psych eval to buy a car or a hammer or a bag of pebbles? Madness
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo

Having a psych eval as a prerequisite for a driving license doesn't sound totally weird. As an example, Zürich requires psych eval of drivers who have done something particularly reckless while driving if they want to keep being allowed to drive. I don't think it's required ahead of time for any license, but heavy vehicle/bus/... license requires a medical exam which I can't find the exact description of.

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@robryk @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo first I think there is a difference between a previous offender and every person. Why am I expected to prove my trustworthiness when government agencies aren't required to do the same? I've done nothing that harms anyone in a way that is against the law. It's impossible for anyone to claim they've never done harm or lost self control or will never. Even infants have fits of rage. Augustine talked about this.
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@robryk @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo second I think if a person commits a crime and is convicted (it doesn't count if not) and they serve out their sentence, their debt to society should be considered repayed in almost all cases (all really if the punishment were to always fit the crime).
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @robryk

Id agree but i think it needs to be less punishment oriented and more recovery oriented. If your on parol i think its ok to have to prove yourself

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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @robryk yes I agree. Just being lazy and using a euphemism but it's about restitution and recovery. I do think some crimes deserve at minimum life sentences if for no other reason than to protect innocent people from fully actualized monsters (rape, molestation, etc). But I believe any crime that has a specific temporal path to restitution should be basically expunged after the sentence has been served. If the sentence is insufficient then the law should be updated to reflect that.
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