In European/American propaganda:
* When China start to have income from harbours cities : China don't care about Far western regions, they are the poorest part of the country
* When China build infrastructure in Western China, and start exchange from Xinjiang to Europe by trains: Chinese made infrastructures to invade Western territories of China and kill the local culture. I can't the number of languages, scripts, religions I meet around China, all really actively used, and the fast progress of life level year after year.
I far I know, there is women mosques only in China, illiteracy disappear, all people have retirement at around 50 to 60 years old depending on kind of work and sex. Lot of Chinese friends come back from France to China to have a better life.
@popolon @yogthos@mastodon.social @clacke I'd be a little more willing to believe some of this stuff if journalists and reporters were allowed into the country and if the government didn't manipulate social media and the internet the way it does. Right now I just have to take your/the government's word for it and that's not great. I would feel the exact same way if the US or any of its allies did this.
As in
A simple exemple is the free speech of Trump, even for worst things, and just after its destitution, the closing of it's accounts. There are several political parties mass closing in Europe from American social networks. What's App, and Podemos in Spain, or Twitter , managed if France by a woman frome the presidential party, that close every opposition accounts. The censorship in France at Television as a high level too, but you only know it if you are in opposition or activist.
@popolon @yogthos@mastodon.social @clacke I'm unaware of speech against trump being censored. Even NPR: the public radio here was talking about him "eating crayons." No one was fired and they still get government money. France has a lot of issues and I never said they didn't, but they are allowing reporters in.
American one ? No problems either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt8eO3ZxjII
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social My french is only slightly better than my Chinese so I can barely understand what they're saying. But show me a journalist in any language from a free country saying that the Chinese government isn't committing genocide against the ughar people then.
And I absolutely agree with you: the behavior of the US against the rest of the world is unacceptable. I don't agree with half of what our government does and often vote against politicians known to perpetuate violence.
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I know the US has made propaganda in the past, some of it has been serious and used cover up atrocities. It would be good if you could convince me that's happening here because what I've heard about China is absolutely horrific and I would really like to know that it's not real.
Unfortunately they have exhibited the common patterns of an extremely authoritarian government trying to cover up violence. It's hard to trust things when they work so hard to manipulate people and hide things.
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Yes, I feel that way too. The US has done a lot to further terrorism in Asia. I think that in addition to this the Chinese government is committing genocide against it's people and imprisoning and maiming people for disagreeing with the government. I haven't seen *anything* to make me think this isn't the case.
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Do the statistics come from the Chinese government? This wouldn't be the first time they've faked data. I had a professor who was an ex-patriot of China and would talk at length about this.
That there are buildings says nothing about the people. I could build a temple in Virginia today and that would change nothing about who lives there.
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I've been having a very difficult time understanding you but I'm going to try to summarize what I believe the most recent iteration of your argument is:
The US has planted or manipulated a religious leader in China and that excuses the violence the government has committed against its people.
I would like to point out that this kind of thing is considered so dangerous here that it is illegal and any member of the government gets in a lot of trouble just for suggesting that we attack our own people based on religion. In the west we've found this creates so many problems that many countries (including the US) consider this one of the fundamental principles of our government. That is: the government protects people of all religions, including and especially the most misguided ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chushi_Gangdruk
as part of the CIA Tibetan program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program
The ethnics attacks against muslims Hui in lhasa in 2008 was still by the former oligarchy. European/US TV showed picture of police beating people in Nepal, as a proof that chinese beat people in Tibet. Tibetan lievee far better now, than under Dalai lama & Qing dynasty or mongolian rulers (including Qoshots and Zungars).
Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama going to the Beijing parliament where he made a speech, and meeting Mao Zedong, Zhu Enlai, and some other
He has the true dalai lama silk and embroidering ceremony costume in Qing dynasty stile, and, not the simple one as most monks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgo4rSqelAo
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social We have movements like this in the US. But you don't see the government going through West Virginia and Texas jailing and killing people for being part of them.
Yes, in the past it the US government was involved with these people but that doesn't justify what the Chinese government is doing.
and if it did why aren't journalists talking about it? There are many news organizations who's existence is more or less justified by them countering mainstream culture and the government and none of them have argued against the existence of genocide by the Chinese government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S._prison_strike
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I'm well aware of our prison problem and it's something I talk about with my peers often.
That the US has moral failings does not at all mean China does not have them. Most importantly I cannot go to prison for something I write on qoto.org which as I understand is not the case in China.
As is said in these serie of videos in Hong Kong, his first language is chinese, from Nanjing, as that was the official language of Republic of China...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5kZGhDccDY
@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I really wish I could understand that or had a tool to automatically translate it. I tried to learn hanzi a number of summers ago because I was working on regulatory compliance software for some radio equipment and China was a country were really struggling with. But I have absolutely no idea what they're saying or how it's relevant.
@popolon @yogthos@mastodon.social @clacke So show me one saying the west misunderstands the situation with the ughur people.