@thor

This is generally my impression. A lot of addiction, too, which is why I favor making addiction as inexpensive and easy as possible.

At least localizes the problem.

I don't know how to save everyone. It's not in nature's plan at least.

I hope things work out for your sister.

@amerika @thor

It has been said many times we are losing the war on drugs.

If you legalise supply you control not only the supply but the purity and strength, that way you know what you are getting.

10mg of paracetamol from a pharmacy should be just that for example but in this case applied to I guess Heroin and cocaine among others.

Then you work on reducing the dependency, a t the same time as that try and deal with the mental health or other issues that have caused the addiction

Of course this also means that these substances can be tax, so lets tax them and put 100 percent of that in to providing free detox, mental health and other support.

As with other problems, it is fixable if we are prepared to be tough enough to have these hard discussions and make hard decisions as to how to solve the issues involved.

@zleap @thor

I oppose legalization and favor decriminalization.

Our goal is not to make drug use safe, only to make it less destructive.

In my view, the markets do a good job of regulating quality.

I also have very little faith in detox programs.

It's all up to the user, and most who quit do it on their own.

@amerika @zleap @thor I think opening up legal markets for what are currently considered illicit drugs would be beneficial for a number of reasons. A non violent drug user who isn't stealing to feed their habit literally harms no one except potentially themselves first and foremost. Keeping things in gray or black markets leads to impurities and dangerous additives, but more than that it creates a scenario where violence becomes perceived as necessary for businesses to secure their profits. The legal markets are protected by the government who claims monopoly on use of force. Illegal markets have to do this for themselves.

This isn't to say other black markets should be given legal status, but in the case of individuals partaking in activities that only put themselves at risk I see no reason for disallowing it.

Alcohol is one of the hardest drugs on the body, and we have nearly 100k deaths a year from excessive use. Drunk driving adds to that number victims of bad decisions while intoxicated.

@thatguyoverthere @zleap @thor

I tend to agree with legal but unregulated/untaxed markets.

Localize the damage.

@amerika @zleap @thor One regulation I do think is important is that ingredients should be accurately listed. One big problem with a dark drug market is that there is no way to ensure potency or even content is what's expected which can lead to unnecessary premature death. I don't think it's the government's place to decide what you put in your body, but if you think you are buying substance "a" at potency "x" that's all it should be. no extra additives unless they are listed.

@thatguyoverthere @thor @amerika

This is surely where legalisation / regulation comes in, you know what your getting / paying for.

However with the dark drug market surely people should also be taking some degree of self responsibility too. You know the risks, you chose to take them. Government as you say can / should only go so far.

@thatguyoverthere @thor @amerika

It is not just illegal drugs, people buy viagra online not knowing what they are actually getting, consumer program have given these fake products to labs to test and the have all sorts of stuff in , paint, sawdust etc oh and rat droppings etc due to being made in unhygienic conditions.

I suppose it Viagra is meant to make you stiff, then it does what it says on the tin, only in this case stiff = dead.