The expression of antisemitism in supposed support of a just cause, directly or implied, is never about that just cause. It is always motivated by hatred toward the Jewish community. History has consistently demonstrated this. Do not fall for that hateful nonsense.
@charlotteclymer Yeah, but on the flip side, showing compassion for the victims of genocide is *not* antisemitism, despite the many claims to the contrary.
@Scooperman @charlotteclymer If they were explicitly vocally dismissive of lost lives, then possibly, yes.
But if they just didn't grieve enough because they were too busy speaking out against the upcoming genocide, then no; that's just priorities.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer My remark was about those had nothing to say about the attack other than to lament in advance the response it would trigger. How is that any better than when somebody’s only concern about Israel’s response is whether or not it will harm the hostages?
@Scooperman @charlotteclymer I don't understand the question.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer My point is that when somebody’s only response to a massacre perpetrated on one group of people is to worry about what it means for another group, it’s a pretty good sign that the person places little value on the lives of that first group.
@Scooperman @charlotteclymer Or it just means they can't change the past but they can try to change the future.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer Sure, that’s possible. There is a big gap between being possible and being always true.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer “yeah, BUT”. If you wake up to the huge problem of well poisoning only when Jews are blamed, perhaps you are not really motivated by, nor are you really an expert in, water contamination. “Yeah BUT”.
@ashmueli @charlotteclymer Or maybe people "woke up to the well poisoning" when they saw the state backing up truckloads of cyanide to the edge of the reservoir.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer that’s a very stupid thing to say if you are NOT an antisemite. Or perhaps you are not stupid. Hard to say from here.
@ashmueli @charlotteclymer If you believe that opposing the violence being perpetrated by the state of Israel is opposing all Jewish people, then you're the one invoking the antisemitic tropes here. It's like calling someone an Islamophobe because they oppose violent jihadists. The extreme minority is not equal to the whole.
Believe it or not, some of us are capable of opposing the actions of a few bloodthirsty fascists who happen to be Jewish without holding it against the rest of the Jewish folks across the world.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer that’s good.
What is your stake in it? I mean, what happens to you personally if you are right or wrong here?
Are you the chicken here or the pig?
@ashmueli @charlotteclymer Do I require a stake to oppose genocide? If so, then my stake is my shared humanity with the civilians and children being slaughtered.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer no, of course not. We both oppose genocide. We don’t both share the same stake, which makes for an unbalanced dialog. As the pig said to the chicken, you will be involved, but I will be committed. It hurts the pig far, far more to make ham and eggs, not to mention the pig may know a lot more about the slaughterhouse. So keep resisting genocide. Good luck.
@LouisIngenthron @charlotteclymer it kind of depends on the context doesn’t it? There were those whose only response to the October 7th attack was to lament in advance Israel’s response. Does that dismissive reaction to that tragedy count as Antisemitism?