Louis Ingenthron @LouisIngenthron@social.cleverlibre.org

@vy No, because people have the right to equal protection under the law, and that's balanced against free speech rights.

That said, though, equal protection under the law doesn't protect you from other people arguing, in their own free time, whatever awful rights-depriving ideology they choose to believe in any more than it protects them from you arguing your points.

@vy Like everything, context matters.
Serious death threats? Of course not.
Hyperbolic death threats? Generally, yes.

And that, to my knowledge, matches 1A jurisprudence.

@wdlindsy There will always be bad people in the world. No system is going to ever fix that. It's human nature.

All we can do is discourage it to the best of our abilities.

And advertisers fleeing Musk's platform as he re-invites bigots is the free marketplace of ideas punishing him for his bigotry.

It may not work immediately, but few things of so grand a scale do.

And I truly believe that the free marketplace of ideas will bend, in the long run, towards justice, because that's what most people want.

@wdlindsy Sure. Please do. Ask about Black Twitter and the sense of community it created. Look into the safe spaces for LGBT youth to feel heard and not so alone in the world.

Those things came out of social media.

@RTP Unlikely. We've passed hate speech laws before. They were found to be unconstitutional. To pass and enforce such laws would require a change to our federal constitution, which is a very difficult process.

@wdlindsy Throughout much of our country's history, that power was held exclusively by the few rich hands that owned newspapers.

I'd argue that we're inherently better off now, because people have so many sources of information, and those billionaires you decry are forced to act at the whims of the masses for whom they've democratized information sharing.

Sure, some jackasses find platforms on social media, but so many more positive influences and role models also find platforms there.

@vy If they're so evil for advocating taking away others' rights, how are you not equally as evil for advocating taking away their rights?

#FreeSpeech is still #FreeSpeech whether you find the content repugnant or not.

The ACLU understands this.

@dmarti The algorithms are designed to give people what they want. Even smaller startup companies need that too. And allowing sorting by aggregate customer reviews would presumably be just as illegal if this case goes against Google. Even Wikipedia won't be able to suggest articles on its front page anymore.

It'll break the internet for companies big *and* small.

@PiTau I can definitely see the benefit for folks with language learning disorders, or those who speak English as a second language. But I agree with you in the general sense... that's an important skill they're cheating themselves out of.

Then again, who knows, maybe in ten years we'll run all of our communication through an AI like we run it through spellcheck now.

@MostlyHarmless Please give credit where it's due:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robin-williams-nascar-drivers/

@omi There's a reason graphing calculators are allowed in certain math courses, but not in others (or at least I hope there is).

I'd think the same would roughly apply to AI tools.

They should be verboten in english/writing classes, but generally acceptable elsewhere.

We all know how badly the AIs are about fudging facts, so any students that rely on them in their entirety are sure to slip up quickly.

The real question is, should non-English courses be grading on the quality of the English in the papers they assign? Because if they do, then ChatGPT can provide an unfair advantage to students who use it (it's pretty good at mimicking good structure for an essay, and extremely helpful for ESL students). So, that type of grading may need a re-think for the modern times if AIs are allowed to be used as a tool for writing.

I suppose another good question is: Do you want to teach the kids to rely on these tools, or to rely on themselves?

There's a lot of benefit to the latter, but professional adults rely on calculators with no shame on a daily basis, so 🤷‍♂️

@interfluidity Because we don't heal as fast when we eat dirt.