Louis Ingenthron @LouisIngenthron@social.cleverlibre.org

@Sanlear@mastodon.social @godlessmom If it makes you feel any better, it doesn't belong to him. He just has a license to it. Each user retains ownership of their own speech.

(That is, that's how it worked before. For all I know, he could have replaced the terms of use with a video game guide by now.)

@admitsWrongIfProven I disagree with that. The folks who can be convinced like that weren't carrying pitchforks to begin with.
And once you solve one issue, there's always another.

The problem is simply human nature: some folks just want to fight and be nasty. Reform who you can and cast out who you can't.

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn Easy to forget that the loudest folks aren't always in the majority

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn I'd argue that you can, actually. What you can't do is change human nature and prevent the pitchforks in the first place. Instead, you just have to account for them and let the level-headed majority prevail. It's like how most people can't sing in-tune, but if you get a big enough crowd to sing together, their faults cancel each other out and they're in-tune as a group.

If you try to build a coalition premised only rationality, then it will be destroyed with a sneeze by the first irrational actor who gains power within it. Instead, we have to plan for dealing with the real human condition.

The way I'm thinking of it, it would be kind of like the Metacritic of the Fediverse. You could even have a survey of server admins each year about which block lists they trust the most and feed that into the weighting. Users could follow specific lists or aggregates.

The more I think about this, the more I think I might try prototyping something this weekend.

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn Nothing is ever impartial; it's all subjective. That's why the key is correcting those errors through the law of averages.

@admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @freemo @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn Freemo's idea is certainly interesting, and I'm keeping an eye on it, but ultimately, I think the solution will be much like what we use for email: RBLs. You get a couple dozen different groups to run their own block lists. Your server ends up on one or two, no big deal. But you end up on a bunch of them and you get auto-blocked by just about everyone until you resolve the issues with enough of the individual lists. That way, it democratizes the process further, and no one actor can take down a server unilaterally.

@laseletzky Maybe, but there's a dozen ways that's likely to backfire, so it's a bad bet.
Take the obvious option: Honest and deep reporting that happens to be critical of Twitter and its new ownership. The best case scenario there is that the critical reporting draws lots of eyeballs and goes viral. But even then it's just drawing other people to argue and view ads and ends up benefiting Musk's bottom line.

I think the best thing any of us can do is to show others that there are greener pastures and that leaving Twitter isn't the end of the world. It's like masking. The more people who started to do it, the more it caught on and became socially acceptable. Leading by example seems to be the best option.

(Btw, feel free to see how, uh, "gracefully" I exited the platform if you want. The empty husk of my profile is still live over there under the same username as here.)

@freemo @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn Oh, come now. The idea that someone "can't learn about" something just because they're not spoon-fed it by social media is one of the more ridiculous fictions of the modern era.

You're doing the right thing by getting the truth out there for people who are willing to look for it.

Those who are happy with their ignorance can blissfully marinate in it. Those who aren't happy will start to ask questions and seek outside info.