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@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper
And when someone staps someone or beats them with a bat do we cry about how bats are legal... Yes there is a problem, but absurd solutions like making guns illegal is obviously not the answer.
@freemo @stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper
Hmm, there is a disconnect: it was stated that guns should be regulated, with strict background checks. Your reply talks of "making guns illegal".
Did you reply to the wrong toot here or do you think background checks are a bad thing? If so, do you wish for people with known agression problems (psychological disorders or former history of violent crimes) to be able to have guns?
I dont think you can see the toot i replied to, the person blocked me.
I am not against background checks in their current form, which is thurough and complete.
The one issue with the current setup is loopholes at gun shows. But that doesnt appear to be a huge source of actual problems so yra im for background checks as they exist today.
@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper
@freemo @stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper
You might want to state that, the toot history i read showed you ignoring the distinction between banning and background checks... it changes the meaning completely.
No i was quite clear i was talking about a specific type of commonly proposed restriction, banning.
@stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com @MelodyCooper
@freemo And who you responded to was quite clear that background checks matter.
@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven
I mean i dont mind private sales. But yea they should be taxed and follow regulation ideally.
@freemo @thatguyoverthere
Well for the topic at hand, it would not exactly matter if a sale is public or private - just that background checks are performed.
Are private sellers liable for what is done with their gun until background checks are performed?
Sell to a loonie, get imprisoned for their murder, right?
@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven
Public gu sales require a paper trail be kept. This is a bigger issue for me than just the background check
@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven
Yea but in private sales you dont have to transfer ownership at the point of sale. Sometimes you dont have to record it at all
@freemo @thatguyoverthere Sounds perfect, if the goal is to have a gun as a someone with rage control issues.
@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven
Its worse than that... if the consequence of struggling with mental health and seeing a doctor has the consequence of revoking ones rights the end result is people who care about being able to buy a gun will go out of their way not to talk about or seek medical help for their mental illnesses.
The end result is increasing the number of people that get no help with their mental illness and a lot more of the wrong sort of people owning guns.
@freemo @thatguyoverthere That warm, peaceful feeling of not living in the usa ^^
@thatguyoverthere @freemo Ah yes, now that you mention it, we have that all the time.
Just yesterday i had to have my head reattached, always such a hassle!
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo various incidents involving axes and knives in germany, more often than mainstream reports on it.
you wouldn't have someone killing multiple people with an axe if we had legal carry here.
@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo "legal". now we have violent armed state sponsored thugs keeping others from exercising their natural right of self defense with proper means.
@bonifartius @thatguyoverthere @freemo Ah, now i'm on board again. "Lützerath", a german town with a coal quarry, has had those thugs. They forcefully removed peaceful protestors against the mining of coal unnecessary for our energy needs.
In truely american style, instead of peaceful protest, maybe lots of guns could have yielded a better result. Purely hypothetical, but humans killing other humans might just be better for the environment.
@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere
You wanted an example of why i thought yojr arguments are bad faith, you have another example.of it here
@freemo @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere So then, what thugs are we talking about? It is in extremely bad faith to just pose "thugs" and then critizise me.
@freemo @bonifartius
You kind of ignore how it is relevant.
The coal was reported to be unnecessary, the protest legit, the police working for the interests of the industry, not the people.
They were state sponsored thugs in this instance, forgive me for exaggerating things to show how absurd i find the idea of using violence here.
@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius
No i dont ignore it.. relevant or not they may have been arguing poorly (thats debatable) but thats not bad faith. A bad faith argument is when you intentionally and blindly try to manipulate the conversation to win.
If i thought they **intentionally** hid or lied about who they are, sure. Bjt no they were happy to explain so not bad faith.
@freemo @bonifartius I did use exaggeration, i'll give you that. But i would argue that bad faith arguments are a bit more than that.
@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius
I agree exageration isnt really the factor that makes it bad faith. The mocking is strongly suggestive though, which is how the exageration comes across.
@freemo @bonifartius Hmm, i need to consider that. I guess the disinformation guy riled me up a bit with his bad faith stuff, i guess i should take longer pauses between responses.
Sorry, @bonifartius - you were not who i meant with the tone. Point stands, though.
@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius
Kts all good. Fairly minor really. Just wanted to point it out
@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere
No not listing thr thugs may be incomplete but not bad faith. Your response woukd be to ask (as you did) and thrn if thr other person is arguing in good faith thry will answer, which they also did.