@becassine unfortunately, outdoor cats are as much of a menace to wild birds as they are to mice.
@becassine the cows are cute :) @wholesome
The one constand with COVID no matter what side you are on is to exaggerate the facts beyond all recognition in your favor
@freemo
> Its a bit more complicated than that. For starters immunity doesnt identify all parts of a virus. It only identifies parts of a virus that have a binding site on it. As far as i know thats just the spike protien for covid but i may be wrong.
for covid there are at least spike- and nucleocapsid-proteins for which antibodies are created.
> As for immunity leading to reducing the attack surface, thats very much a myth that keeps circulating and its more complex than that. Studies show that when you introduce vaccines, or natural immunity, but do not approach herd immunity that you increase the chances of variants evolving. Therefore immunity is only effective at stoping the virus effectively id herd immunity can be reached first. So the two factors at play is the mutation rate of the virus pitted against the time it takes to approach herd immunity. Coronaviruses tend to evolve relatively quickly and as such its unlikely we could reach a herd immunity before it triggers a new strain.
i meant herd immunity by "attack surface", yes. i think with the current vaccines we can't win the race as immunity wanes too fast (like you've wrote), it might would have been better to roll them out only for at risk groups to reduce the risk for selection around the vaccine. this point is moot though.
> Finally while you are right the new strains are not going to necessarily evolve towards being more deadly, they also arent neceseraly going to evolve towards being more silent. More often we see it evolve to be more contagious earlier in the infection leaving it to be as deadly as it "wants" to be later in the infection. Many viruses kill or disable you, or show symptoms at all, only after the most contagious part of their life cycle.
agreed! i just think it's the worst FUD i know if the WHO president says "deadly as ebola" about the omicron variant.
@freemo just armchair thoughts: wouldn't it benefit everyone because a) they are immune then and b) natual immunity also includes antibodies and memory cells of all parts of the virus, not only the wuhan strain spikes, thereby reducing the attack surface for emerging variants? would be interesting how omikron fares in the lesser vaccinated european nations, especially those who had a huge number of cases with the older variants.
sidenote: it really grinds my gear that every new variant is touted as more deadly than the last, even of it doesn't really makes sense. the selection should favor "silent" infections imho.
@mathlover sounds like a fun sunday afternoon! :P
@trinsec i usually save the oglaf strips for mondays to brighten up my day :D
@naruciakk
> No, they are not. They are preparing resources if that was needed. Don't mess with the facts please :P
sure, might have got that wrong.
> No, it's because the cold viruses (there are many types BTW) are constantly changing, evolving.
i think i read an article years ago that somehow they are especially problematic wrt waning immunity. it sure doesn't help that there are so many :)
> But the point of mass COVID vaccination is first and foremost to just reduce the problems that this virus creates with healthcare etc. to the level at least manageable or to the same level as the common cold creates.
i naively assumed that the correct response would've been to increase the capacity of the healthcare system by improving the working conditions ;)
> If I had to make a guess, it's probably the second one. And from my selfish need, a regular vaccine mandate would be better, as I won't be touched by it (it doesn't mean that I think you should be forced to vaccinate, but it would just make things easier for me, because I am vaccinated (and I will be – the booster's next week))
well, i'm not because the vector/mrna vaccines are a too new technology for my taste. so i just stay at home and go shopping every other week and do the other common things then. i'm happy the the max planck institute did the study about how masks are effective. why e.g. the sinovac vaccine isn't approved by EMA even if it's approved by WHO as "good", has been around for a long time and is probably used more than the western vaccines is also a bit beyond me. that would easily boost vaccination rates. i'd probably take it too, because i'm not anti-vaccines.. if there's a mandate i'd skip out on it just out of spite though. it's just something i can't support from an ethical point.
@naruciakk
> I mean, you can't say that, because what we call a booster might just mean that the COVID vaccines are 3-dose instead of 2, this is a case for some vaccines for different diseases, so, y'know :P
well, in israel they are at booster 4 and counting ;) afaik this is why there never was a vaccine against common cold viruses, they never created a long immunity.
> I mean, let's be honest, just some states/countries require apps, many more require… well, nothing, some of them require any proof of vaccination. It is still annoying as fuck though.
and i wonder if it really helps anything to control vaccination status or if it just is meant as incentive to get vaccinated. which feels wrong, imho.
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