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@newt it's nice to read, but when i used it i had to use :emacs: with a special mode *shiver
@enigmatico

@niclas that's a really long time :D i only read about kde1 in a big linux book i got back then :) still, kde 3 was pretty nice. 4 was a bummer, 5/plasma/however it's called now looks pretty solid!

@dushman

@dushman
there are many, tiling and floating to choose from :) i can see why tiling may not be for everyone. i use WMs because i really can hammer them into a shape i like, which is hard with DE. in the end: use what works for you, free software, and linux especially, is about choice :)
@niclas

Don't get me wrong, computers can absolutely help us regain our environmental efficiency. They just *aren't*.

Not as long as we're:
* constantly syncing everything to the cloud,
* expecting same-hour delivery,
* funding our clickbait via surveillance advertising,
* buying a new phone every year,
* using AIs because they're cool rather than useful,
* running bloated software & webpages,
* buying into "big data"
* etc

Computing is environmentally cheap, but it rapidly adds up!

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@CapitalB well, but the level of malice and mistrust is new, at least in europe.

> What comes next?

my guess: gender with the knob turned to 11. PBS in germany already "gender" their speech with hickups in broadcasting and colons (of every possible symbol they had to choose the one making no sense at all!) in text.

@dushman just wanted to give a pointer in case you are interested in previous kde releases :)
@niclas

@dushman there is trinity desktop environment which tries to continue kde 3 but it's an uphill battle against all the modern fuckery in linux @niclas

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