bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

we have a raven living here, it just took a rest atop a tree <3

@zleap
isn't that the "d&d is satanist and creates psychopaths" argument? any media consumption needs supervision of course (and NOT by technical means like access control..)
@blueplanetslittlehelper

@newt yup!

@blueplanetslittlehelper if you think it's about winning, you miss the point, but i'll gladly take the cookie ❤

@zleap of course, but it's a chicken egg problem ;)

@blueplanetslittlehelper @thor

@blueplanetslittlehelper
> The image of a "real man" was created by other men, and that is toxic for all men unable to conform.

and the modern left has struggled to create an image for real men which isn't based on self-depreciation.

> If more are driven to suicide (if that's true, since once upon a time they could simply enlist in a war and let themselves be shot) then maybe because they can't let their frustration and feelings of being inadequate out by violence?

most modern wars (except ww1 at the start) were not fought by volunteers, but by drafted men.

> BTW: Boys are victims of the education system, no leftists there.

i won't argue here, only that here in germany the educational system is influenced by left ideas since at least the 70s. still most of the education is built for girls.

i'd say hypercapitalism is the problem, and unfortunatly the left is part of it. got swallowed whole.

@thor

@blueplanetslittlehelper
> nobody in their right mind argues that women are "objects for sexual gratification"?

well, the left does with their pro porn, pro prostitution ideas.. :)

> Even a few years ago there was no rape inside marriage since sex was a god given right (and in case of divorce it is even now).

this is the argument which is always pulled. the law was of course bullshit, but that can be said about 99% of our laws. to infer that because of the law the majority of men were/are rapists is a logical fallacy.

> Cherish women for their ability to create and nourish new life"? What if the can't (too old, I'll) or won't do that?

then nothing, i knew enough old women who never married or had children and nobody fucking cared because they of course did other things like being shopowners. nourishing also can mean other things, even spiritually, that's why in most religions female figures had such roles (cf. various figures in old fairytales or holy mother mary, etc.)
don't twist my argument that the left can't accept anything which they can't control into something it isn't.

> "Treated as queen's"? Again, where do you live?

just count the amount of men vs. women you know who can't find a partner and aren't voluntary single.

@cowanon accurate description of our times.

@blueplanetslittlehelper
i more agree with thors observation. suicide rates for young men are roaring, because they can clearly see that the future laid out for them by media and society is something they'll never achieve. on the other hand, the spin in media is that women should receive benefits, in work and in private. "to be treated as queens" if you like, with their existence as "oppressed minority" as sole reason.

"incels" don't see any chance of realistically having a partner, and it's the medias fault of painting pictures about the genders which they can never fulfill. the problem is that almost every media is left wing now, public discourse is mainly left wing, etc.

if you look here on what the conservative/right wing/traditionalist people on fedi write on the women topic, you'll find that the majority is very pro womens rights. only that those rights aren't only measured in a monetary capitalist sense. the way i see it, "right wingers" (for lack of a better term) cherish women for their ability to create and nourish new life. which is something that the technocratic left somehow manages to reduce to something ugly by using terms like "sexual gratification", despite it being one of the few things which could still be considered magical. i'd even argue that they are really pissed about this, as they can't control it. nature reigns.

nobody in their right mind argues that women are "objects for sexual gratification", except the left which picks out the few bad apples from so-called cis men. the only thing achieved by these nonsensical lables like "cis" is that it widens the divide between people.

@thor

@thor sorry, went to sleep a bit.

yeah, very likely.. i now only have to figure out where to carve a corner where it isn't as problematic ;) thanks for the pointers!

@thor like if you are supposed to write a paper but then get pulled into learning about TeX and then about fonts and then about linotype ...?

@thor it never occured to me that those two books might be this closely related! makes sense to talk about two disorders which are just often comorbid to varying degrees.

@thor that's exactly how it feels. i knew that i should be learning for the test, but my brain just couldn't do it. the "design your own little cpu" stuff was no problem though.