bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

@m0xEE
> I don't think they take pleasure in ruining the fun

counterpoint: the fediblock crew exists and they are in to ruin the fun for people they deem the enemy.

> they just don't seem to realize that having fun is incompatible with building a safe space, that not getting bland and predictable reactions IS part of fun, that when others prefer not hurting their feeling over stating their opinion openly, they often go with not saying anything at all instead of navigating the minefield. But somehow they still want to have their cake and eat it too.

agreed, there are likely also people who probably didn't think it through. it probably never occurred to them that handling these things themselves might be the correct solution - our whole school and state system is teaching helplessness and reliance on phony authorities.

> It also has nothing to do with being transgender like many here seem to think — it's just what a lot of people want to normalize nowadays.

i'm not sure how "trans" got into here. there is a sizable group of "trans identifing" people here on fedi who are acting like assholes ruining the fun and a smaller group of trans people who just wants to shitpost and to be left alone like everyone else.

> *insert rammstein story arc* ;)

agreed.

regarding your friend: would be interesting what _she_ thinks lindemann did wrong specifically and how _she_ would penalize him for this. "he should be punished" is a bullshit appeal to authority.

> People get convinced that they should be able to do anything, but somehow that they should still be safe at all times. All around the world, grown up people. People who are right in their head — it's not some disorder we are talking about here.

they are _by definition_ not right in the head. they are refusing to acknowledge the logical consequences of their actions. they are apparently unable to do risk-reward calculations, which is a basic function of higher animals.

@theorytoe @fearisfreedom

@Moon i don't know what iris is :)

i've seen the english words thing with crypto currencies, i haven't seen a specification of it.

maybe "proquints" also are interesting https://arxiv.org/html/0901.4016

@Moon emojis!

@japananon @theorytoe well, jcs orignally created lobsters because HN was shit. it actually was quite okay until pushcx took over and the whole thing turned from hacker spirit to woke haven.

@japananon @theorytoe they have a user-tree where you can see who invited whom. never really fixed spam. many long time users with much "karma" got banned for wrongthink. both you can see from the moderation log.

my vote is that you can either have padded echo chambers shielding people from dissenting views or some kind of open system where you occasionally have to deal with shit content (or delegate that decision to someone you trust) but can have unpoliced conversations in exchange for it.

as always, no such thing as free lunch.

fun note about the original proposal: they think they (the thought police) are the majority while servers on the "dark side of fedi" have really many users with imo much better user engagement.

@DannyMekic
> [...] democratic state governed by the rule of law.

cf. spooner:

> What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible, dominion over all other men whom they can subject to their power. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, to subject all other men to their will and service. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to abolish outright all the natural rights, all the natural liberty of other men; to make all other men their slaves; to arbitrarily dictate to all other men what they may, and may not, do; what they may, and may not, have; what they may, and may not, be. It is, in short, the assumption of a right to banish the principle of human rights, the principle of justice itself, from off the earth, and set up their own personal will, pleasure, and interest in its place. All this, and nothing less, is involved in the very idea that there can be any such thing as human legislation that is obligatory upon those upon whom it is imposed.

the whole construct is phony bullshit by autocrats anyway, what else to expect than autocratic laws.

@japananon @theorytoe it's like lobsters and that didn't work either to keep annoying people away but instead they started banning long time users.

@theorytoe LIBERTARIANS

@fearisfreedom @theorytoe "fun" for these people is brainless consumption of their allotted subculture - like "nerdy" stuff, but you can insert many more in it's place. they explicitly want no dissonance as they never learned how to deal with it. they also seek to actively destroy places which are more open via CoCs and things like blocklists.

maybe their fun even is the destruction itself, much like in the tolkien quote.

@AWIVR also fun: the german wikipedia is mincing words on this and emphasizes technicalities - like the submarine not being painted white while flying red cross flag - as reason why it was tOTaLLy fiNe to bomb them. you have to click through to other articles to find things like allied navy personnel giving statements in dönitz favour.