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Derek Chauvin (The murderer of #GeorgeFloyd) has just officially been convicted of murder by the grand jury, finally justice!
@ChristiJunior LAWL, ok buddy.. i mean the dude was literally caught red handed murdering someone.. The guy was dead (or at least unconscious) and the man continued to strangle him for another 4 minutes and physically stopped other cops from checking on his safety... There is no sane reason anyone could side witht he cop on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d2-iK5Dcy0
@coolboymew
Who said anything about relaxing. Once he was immobile you cuff his feet and hands, no relaxing needed. There is no excuse for strangling a man for 4 minutes after he is unconscious.
@ChristiJunior
He strangled him with his knee, yea he strangled him.. and even once he was told by his fellow officer he didnt have a pulse (effectively was dead) he continued to sit on either his neck or chest for another 3 minutes and refused to let his fellow officer help him when asked...
now ay you can justify it, none.
Incorrect, in fact you dont even need a knee, you can use a rope or pretty much any means that constrict the neck and prevents breathing. Dictionary definition of the word strangle:
squeeze or constrict the neck of (a person or animal), especially so as to cause death.
I'm going to help you out here. Take your hand. Put it on your neck. Squeeze, (not too hard!) do you feel that bone in the back? That's called your SPINE.
His head was tilted to the side and his knee was on the neck from the side... yes of course its possible.. In fact much worse as it can cut off blood flow to the brain as well (that is were the artery that supplies the brain is at)..
Your also arguing a pretty stupid point.. his knee was on his neck and he was also sitting on his back to compress his chest for most of that. Its pretty obvious that would cause anyone to struggle to breath.. combine that with the fact that a fellow officer (who are trained in being able to take a persons pulse in their CPR training) clearly stated chauvin had no pulse (effectively was dead) and Chauvin continued to sit on him and compress his chest and neck for 3 minutes after being told the man's heart stopped.
There is literally no way you can justify his actions or intent, none.
16% of the time this hold has historically resulted in unconsciousness. Moreover Chauvin was told the man's heart stopped by his fellow officer who took his pulse so he knew the man had died and/or he had killed him and when the officer tried to offer to begin life saving procedures Chauvin refused to get off him and instead continued to sit on his neck and chest for almost another 3 minutes... so it is very clear when he is sitting ont he chest of a man whom he knows his heart isnt beating for nearly 3 more minutes that his intent is for that man to be dead.
I dont watch any "media" of any kind, as strict rule. I only watched the uncut content of the case skipped over commentary. So no.
I dont think the defense lied too much. The bigger is everything they said was noise and didnt change the one core fact that made Chauvin guilty as hell.
He sat on his neck and chest strangling him.. When he went completely limp he continued to strangle him for 4 more moneys, at that point he is already guilty as you know if your strangling someone and they go unconscious death is next, the proper course of action for anyone at this point who doesnt intentionally want to kill someone would be to handcuff their feet and hands to completely immobilize them and get off them. Instead he continued to strangle him, a minute later a fellow police officer trained tot ake a pulse and in CPR informed Chauvin that Floyd's heart stopped entirely and that he should try to resuscitate him. Chauvin refused and would not let him do so and remained sitting on his chest for almost another full 3 minutes.
Nothing else changes this core fact and it makes it undeniable that the intent was to murder. What possible excuse is there to continue to sit on the chest of a man whose heart isnt beating a refuse the please of a fellow officer and a certified nurse to allow them to give him CPR?
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @coolboymew
What I described were the events on the video.. "framing" from either side doesnt change the fact that what I just said was a literal explanation of what is clearly heard and seen on the video and nothing else.
Framing wont change those facts so why should they change my opinion?
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @coolboymew
@freemo @realcaseyrollins @buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @coolboymew I’m not entirely sure that your description is accurate, but you certainly seem to, so your opinion makes sense.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
What part of my description isnt accurate? I mean I can point to whatever part in the video that shows every point I described and easily show you were each event happened. I cant imagine anyone can interpret any of it different since it was all captured rather clearly.
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
I never claimed why he died, it isnt relevant, I said he was strangled, not that he died due to be strangled... Even if he died because of the medications, that fact that cauvin continued to strangle him 3 minutes after his fellow officer told him that Floyd's heart stopped stil tells me he intended the man dead. Even if he didnt kill him he sure as hell made sure he stayed dead and refused to let others help resuscitate him. So he is still guilty even if what you say is true, not is what you say in contrast to anything i said.
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @coolboymew
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
I never said hold him down was wrong.. I said once he was informed by someone trained in taking a pulse and giving CPR that the man's heart stopped then there was no justification of any kind fo rhim sitting on the man and refusing a fllow cop from delivering CPR.
What do you feel justifies sitting on a mans chest that doesnt have a heart beat and blocking others from giving CPR?
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
If that were true then why didnt he take the 5 seconds it takes to put leg and hand cuffs on him then get off? That would alleviate all his feas of a dead guy coming ack to life and running away, and being unconscious would have been trivial to do.
So considering he coud have easily addressed all those concerns your argument basically boils dow to "He was scared he might come back to life"... in other words, wanted him dead and to stay dead.
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
@freemo @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins Read what I wrote.
Hint: people in fear don’t take chances.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
Yes, and not sure how you can be scared of someone whose heart isnt beating. That excuse only holds any water up until his heart stopped, after that it ceases to be a valid excuse.
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Seen quit a few. I have not objected to anything they did while he was alive and resisting arrest (even though he never took a swing or attacked the officers I still gave them the benefit of the doubt). But again once your told a man's heart has stopped there is no excuse for his actions.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Yes he would have been not guilty if he had acted that way.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Because when we talk about things like murder, especially 2nd degree murder, intent matters.
The case was not about if he caused the death, it is about if he intended to cause death or if death was due to negligence on his part. If he caused the death and that deathw as neither due to negligence or intent then he wasnt guilty of the charges at hand.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
When did I say he had no hand in his death, you just pulled that out of thin air.. You asked me if he got off him when his heart stopped if he should still be guilty, I said no.. I said nothing about if he had a hand in his death or not.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
"It certainly wasnt the way he was holding him down"... both autopsy reports and several doctors all disagree with you there.
Quote from one autopsy examiner:
"died as a result of mechanical asphyxiation"
Quote from the other autopsy examiner:
"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression."
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countless reasons, a suspicious death, unexpected or unexplained death, public health and safety concerns, etc.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
No you just arent paying attention. As I already covered simply killing someone is not enough to be charged with 2nd degree murder, for that you must show intent among other things.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
No because the knee on the kneck could be excused away as neccesary when the man was alive in order to protect his own life (this is questionable but at least plausable).. So can be seen as self-defense. Once it (perhaps accidentally) caused the man to die the self-defense excuse evaporates, there is no need to maintain the position for self defense at that point and only serves the purpose of making sure the man dies and is not revived, so at that point it demonstrates the death wasnt accidental but purposeful.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
> Why would he need to maintain the position if he was informed that the man was dead though?
He wouldnt, thats the point, unless his intent was for the man to die there is no reason to not only sit on the mans chest after being informed his heart stopped but to refuse to let his fellow officer help him when his fellow officer asked him to get off so he could tend to him.
> Furthermore you are assuming that there is a chance he could be revived. Once the body was loaded (since no CPR was attempted on scene by responders) we can assume that something was attempted. Since this did not revive Floyd I dont see how this would have made a difference how long the cop was on top of him.
It makes a **huge** difference, performing CPR shortly after the heart stopped (as the fellow officer was trying to do) may very well have saved his life. When a heart stops seconds/minutes count.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Two points:
So why did he want to kill him? Was his reasoning for desiring to kill Floyd ever established, or are we just assuming that he is evil for evil's sake?
If seconds count, why was CPR not preformed at the scene?
> So why did he want to kill him?
The most reasonable answer is because cops commonly go on a power trip and when this power is challenged (such as the cases of resisting arrest) they tend to get vengeful, a pattern I've personally witnessed several times. But this is just speculation, while it is very clear he intended the man to die we can only guess as to the multitude of murders.
> why was CPR not preformed at the scene?
We already covered this, because chauvin refused to let people perform CPR. As I already stated a fellow police officer on the scene when he detected no pulse immediately asked chauvin to get off so he could tend to Floyd, and this would have likely entailed CPR. Chauvin however refused his fellow officers request to try to care for Floyd and instead continued to sit on top of him preventing others from caring for him.
This is the very reason he is guilty as sin, he blocked his fellow officers active attempts to care for Floyd.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Everyone, welcome to justice in 2021. I hope you don't make anyone dislike you.
Nope, you a little retarded or something.. I said the exact opposite... He clearly demonstrated he wanted the man dead and thus is a bad guy. What makes him bad is speculation and less relevant.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
No I said that is very common and the most likely among many possible motives.. implying that I can not be certain of the motive though it is very clear the murder was intentional.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
So it was intentional, you just dont know what the intention was
No not what i said, its clear the intent was to have him dead.. the motivation behind that intent isnt obvious as he never made that clear.
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@freemo @Weedle @realcaseyrollins @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew
its clear the intent was to have him dead
Based on what evidence? No one has presented clear evidence that he wanted him dead and that was the only possible intent. All I’ve seen are assumptions.
@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Based on the fact that once his heart stop beating he physically prevented fellow officers from saving him despite them trying to.. physically blocking people from trying to save a man who you know his heart has stopped shows clear intent you want the man dead.
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @coolboymew
So you admit they wanted him dead and to remain dead on the off chance he might hurt someone if his life was saved.. bearing in mind at no point during the encounter did he attack a police officer, he resisted arrest but never actively assaulted an officers according to eye witnesses.
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@freemo @sickburnbro @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins
Because when we talk about things like murder, especially 2nd degree murder, intent matters.
This is the key for me. Intent that #DerekChauvin meant to kill #GeorgeFloyd has never been proven, only assumed.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
and I'd say that physically preventing fellow officers from trying to save his life after he is informed his heart stopped clearly shows the intent for Floyd to be dead. The only explanation you gave was fear, but as i said there is no reason that one would be scared of a man whos heart is known not to be beating.
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
@freemo @realcaseyrollins @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew Say what you like man, your word is not evidence.
The only explanation you gave was fear, but as i said there is no reason that one would be scared of a man whos heart is known not to be beating.
You not understanding why someone would be afraid doesn’t mean the fear doesn’t exist.
@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
By that logic I can go around shooting random black people and not be charged with murder simply because i have an irrational fear of black men.
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @coolboymew
@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Not in the least, at no point during the encounter was chauvin assaulted or did Floyd at any point attempt to kill chauvin.. he struggled against and resisted arrest but didnt even take a swing at officers. So no, nothing rational about it.
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @coolboymew
Irrelevant, a large man who has not assaulted anyone is no more an excuse for murder than a small man.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
If he struggled and resisted, then that is reasonable enough once you add on the size difference, erratic behavior etc.
Besides, I'm not saying he was in fear for his life, but rather that he was probably afraid that he would get away.
"bUt He KnEeLeD oN HiS nEcK" yeah yeah, that's how he was holding him down buddy. The whole point was to keep him from getting away, it's kinda the job for the police to keep criminals from running loose in the general public.
@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
I dont know how many times i have to repeat this but when a man's heart stops beating and you forcably prevent people from reviving him then yes, his actions show very clear intent he wants him dead. Him being scared Chauvin might get away, or fear of anything else, doesnt change the fact that he wanted him dead, at best it just explains why he wanted him dead.
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @coolboymew
Those that advocate most forcefully for this are the least ready to deal with the results.
I have thought long and hard about having to live without police, and it's not peachy.
As an example, why not list all the reasons why that situation would have played out that way but Chauvin *wouldnt* have been trying to kill him. You won't be able to do it.
