@KellyS @freemo @ThatDude There is no way to design a society or legal system that isn't oppressive to *someone*. Libertarians have bought into the lie that you can, but you can't. To the extent that libertarianism succeeds, it is simply just hollowing out what keeps a society together and creating a power vacuum for a new, more dominant belief/value system.
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I disagree, libertarianism isnt about a perfect society where everyone gets to do whatever the hell they want. It is about reaching the maximum level of personal freedom possible.
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@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude whatever the hell they want, huh? Like put on drag queen shows for children? Like putting pre-teens on testosterone, sterilizing them, and surgically disfiguring their genitalia? That is very liberating to some people, and they're letting us all know that on a daily basis. Is that the level of personal freedom that will elevate society?
I am ok with a pre-teen having liberty and freedom over their own body, though its a complicated issue and they should be advised about it.. so yea that part sounds ok. Reassignment surgery on the genitals though isnt until their older since there isnt the same need as with hormones to start that early (hormones are less likely to work if started after puberty).
So yes I'd say complete say over what you do and put into your own body is very liberating, and yes I support that, and I would support it at any age so long as the person is informed and aware of their choices.
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@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude My goodness...they're children. They're brains aren't fully formed. There is tremendous evidence of social contagion driving a large amount of teens identifying as "trans". Children are not in a position to make life altering decisions about halting their maturation or gender reassignment. I beg of you to read Abigail Shrier's book and reconsider.
Most adults I talk to dont have fully formed brains either, I wouldnt stop them from making choices about their own bodies either.
The problem is they have to make a life altering decision either way. Not taking hormone therapy can be just as devastating to their future and life as taking it. So either way a decision needs to be made, and either one, if incorrect, can destroy their lives. So they, along with their parent, will have to make that decision, and forcing either one on them is not going to help things.
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@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude the data say otherwise about hormone therapy but the larger point I am making is that we're not just talking about freedom for a teen. We're also talking about a regime that is firing any doctor who doesn't practice positive affirmation. We're also talking about squashing parents rights. We're also talking about compelled speech for pronouns. While some seek a type of freedom they necessarily oppress others to gain it.
@freemo @KellyS @ThatDude many biological women want spaces where only they are allowed to enter. This is an oppression to those who also want to enter them, but liberating to biological women. Libertarian's present their movement as progressing only freedom and I reject that as naive and simplistic.
It was never about people getting whatever they want and anyone who doesnt is "oppressed" and all that... It is about, as i said at the get go, maximizing personal freedoms.
That means instead of making bathrooms just for birth-females and birth-males, or making bathrooms inclusive to trans as the only two options, you solve the problem quite simply by building bathrooms such that each stall is its own bathroom, with no way to peek in.. problem solved. No one is going to complain because of the sex of the person washing their hands next to them in the communal location.
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